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September 11 Wiki Theorys
#7395179 - 09/11/07 05:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
just thought i would share.
The part that caught my eye is where they talk about what hit the pentagon, and how they took the video's from teh gastation across the street.
They also talk about how the planes could have been CGI'ed into the movies.
Imagine, a couple hundred "actors" running around screaming about seeing a plane hit, everyone on the ground would take it as truth.
then throw a few video's up and boom you have history.
one of my theorys is this
lets go a little deeper , what if another country wanted to take over the usa. we are actually worth "some" money to someone.
knock out a few buildings ( i heard their are some nice beam technologys out that could demolish these buildings from space)//china anyone?
then shoot a missle into the pentgon while everyone is looking at 2 buildings calapse.
you would pretty much have us by the balls, for a quick and smooth takeover.
and im sure we all noticed how much the gov has changed. maybe alot more than we thought?
anyways thought the conspiracy nutts might like a thread to dattle in
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395188 - 09/11/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In the thing I watched, the series thing i posted in the other thread, they showed those videos. It showed and talked about it at the same time, it did NOT show a plane hit the building, instead it looked like a bomb went off.
But you might be talking about the towers. I believe planes did hit those towers. The series says there was bombs in there too. Also some other bomb type thing that has white smoke and gets 4000+ degrees in 2 seconds, they believe that is what melted the towers and brought them down, because normal flames cannot melt steel.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395314 - 09/11/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Planes CGI'ed into the movies????!?!?!
My God...the tin-foil hat crowd is really grasping at straws now. There are tons and tons of videos of the planes hitting the towers. After the first tower was hit think about how many people trained their cameras on the towers. Are these people implying that every single person's video was edited? Are these people implying that every single witness (probably at least several hundred thousand) is lying about seeing the second plane hit the tower?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395318 - 09/11/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is no doubt in my mind that the government played a role in the tragedy. In my opinion they orchestrated the whole thing. They needed to rally support to go into Iraq. The United States for the most part thinks it is untouchable. We have been engraved with the idea that the United States is by far superior to all other nations. I know many of us do not think this way, especially being part of a community such as this. But overall, I feel the general tone is "Don't fuck with us...because we will fuck you worse."
By staging an attack in our backyard, and especially on such symbols of American achievement, the gov't was able to get the general populace all riled up and very ready to invade whoever the gov't said was to blame. That was the plan all along, they wanted to go into Iraq, I believe most importantly for oil, but also to carry out a personal vendetta held by the Bush family, again the whole "Don't fuck with us" thing.
We were tricked into going to war. Plain and simple. In my eyes the evidence that is available is way too overwhelming to not see the huge role our own gov't played in this sick and twisted plan.
Sorry if I made no sense, im finally winding down from a very psychedelic evening.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395339 - 09/11/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Planes CGI'ed into the movies????!?!?!
My God...the tin-foil hat crowd is really grasping at straws now. There are tons and tons of videos of the planes hitting the towers. After the first tower was hit think about how many people trained their cameras on the towers. Are these people implying that every single person's video was edited? Are these people implying that every single witness (probably at least several hundred thousand) is lying about seeing the second plane hit the tower?
yah check the wiki link, it has a picture where they think they used "cgi" on a plane video.
i was mostly talking a bout the first plane. i kinda forgot it got hit more than once, i soppose by then alot of people would have gathered with camera's.
but that also brings another good point, how the hell do you let 2 planes hit the same building
exactly that...you let it happen.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: FunkyLoFi]
#7395342 - 09/11/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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FunkyLoFi said: There is no doubt in my mind that the government played a role in the tragedy. In my opinion they orchestrated the whole thing.
So, the "video wills" of many of the Saudi hijackers were faked? The Islamic extremists (who are quite real, determined, and active) are all made up? It's funny how some people are so willing to accept the theories of crackpot conspiracy nuts but are unwilling to accept the common sense explanations of many mainstream institutions and educated people.
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FunkyLoFi said: We have been engraved with the idea that the United States is by far superior to all other nations. I know many of us do not think this way, especially being part of a community such as this.
Not all of the members of this community are pitiful self-loathing Leftists.
It is only natural for citizens to have pride in their nation. Americans have it, Brazilians, have it, Canadians have it, etc.. It is common for people to naturally favor their own nation. There's nothing wrong with that.
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FunkyLoFi said: But overall, I feel the general tone is "Don't fuck with us...because we will fuck you worse."
This is a good attitude for a nation to have. It can dissuade aggression if one makes it clear that he (or his nation) is willing to defend itself.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: FunkyLoFi]
#7395343 - 09/11/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Heres more possible truth bush knew about it (he slips and tells you he knew about bombs), and more proof that there was bombs in the towers which I watched a different video which pretty much made me 90% sure there were bombs that played a role in the towers.
If anyone is interested in seeing alot of "coincidences" I would recommend watching this series thats on youtube. Its pretty interesting.
Heres part one If you wanna start it out and go through it
It talks about so much stuff. Catches bush In some lies too. He said he seen the first plane hit a tower on tv on 9/11 while he was in the classroom.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395347 - 09/11/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: but that also brings another good point, how the hell do you let 2 planes hit the same building
exactly that...you let it happen.
It was the same complex, not the same building. Two towers were hit. The planes hit in rapid succession. There was only a few minutes in between impacts. The terrorists planned it that way so that we would not have the time to respond.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395350 - 09/11/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a good attitude for a nation to have. It can dissuade aggression if one makes it clear that he (or his nation) is willing to defend itself.
I think If we didnt attack them we would have shown some kind of weakness. And maybe even more attacks already. Didnt bin laden declare holy war on america before they sent the hijackers over?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395353 - 09/11/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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eh probly, but bin laden is this "mystery man" that nobody has seen in real life. I mean thier is this free 20 billion dollar lottery ticket floating around you just gotta find it. If it was laying around in the usa how long till someone found it?
yet somehow all his video's make it over here......he's either hollywood, or his cause must really be worth fighting for to not turn him in for that money.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395355 - 09/11/07 07:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: I think If we didnt attack them we would have shown some kind of weakness. And maybe even more attacks already. Didnt bin laden declare holy war on america before they sent the hijackers over?
Bin Laden did declare holy war on America before September 11 in a fatwa (Islamic religious edict).
However, you are lumping the Iraqis/Arabs and the jihadist/Bin Laden types into one category. This is an erroneous assumption. These are two different groups of people. In my opinion, the jihadists must be confronted and killed because they seek to kill us. The vast majority of Arabs are not jihadists (although a significant amount have sympathies towards them), but are so backwards as to be useless and not worth wasting effort on.
We are pursuing the worst policy in Iraq. We are wasting resources on trying to build up a nation that is full of people with a stone-age mentality and we are distracted from pursuing the Al Qaeda organization who perpetrated 9/11. Also, we have played right into Iran's hands (Iran is our enemy) and they are pestering us as much as is possible.
It is a foreign-policy blunder on a monumental scale.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395358 - 09/11/07 07:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: eh probly, but bin laden is this "mystery man" that nobody has seen in real life. I mean thier is this free 20 billion dollar lottery ticket floating around you just gotta find it. If it was laying around in the usa how long till someone found it?
yet somehow all his video's make it over here......he's either hollywood, or his cause must really be worth fighting for to not turn him in for that money.
Bin laden is rich, his followers probably dont care about money, what are they gonna buy in the desert anyway... Besides, Hes like a leader to them. Hes gotta be in some kind of hole.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395360 - 09/11/07 07:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: eh probly, but bin laden is this "mystery man" that nobody has seen in real life. I mean thier is this free 20 billion dollar lottery ticket floating around you just gotta find it.
Many people have seen and met Bin Laden in real life. There are many videos of him walking around and such. Also, his bounty is 25 million I believe. It is nowhere near being 20 billion.
Is it possible that the U.S. government knows where he is and they are allowing him to stay free as part of a strategy? Yes, it is possible.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395363 - 09/11/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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> Imagine, a couple hundred "actors" running around screaming about seeing a plane hit
A friend of the family was in one of the rooms that got hit by the plane. He is certainly no actor. One of his office mates was killed. He certainly didn't volunteer to die to add credibility to a cover story. Of all the 9/11 conspiracy theories, the pentagon being hit by a missile has to be the most idiotic of them all.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Seuss]
#7395365 - 09/11/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bin Laden did declare holy war on America before September 11 in a fatwa (Islamic religious edict).
However, you are lumping the Iraqis/Arabs and the jihadist/Bin Laden types into one category.
Im just saying our attack should somewhat intimidate them as a whole. Because im sure they all would like to fight america, except the few that we are helpin.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395366 - 09/11/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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aw which brings up another conspiracy theory, supposed bin laden works for bush...something about ties to oil or some such thing.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395367 - 09/11/07 07:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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an yah im way to lazy and tired to look it up
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395371 - 09/11/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: Bin laden is rich, his followers probably dont care about money, what are they gonna buy in the desert anyway... Besides, Hes like a leader to them. Hes gotta be in some kind of hole.
A significant amount of Bin Laden's fortune has been seized and such. But, money still does roll into the coffers of Islamic extremists from Islamic charities and wealthy Saudi extremists.
And you're right. His followers don't care about money. They only care about their cause and are willing to die for it.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395374 - 09/11/07 07:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I watched some speeches of bush, and at times It seems like he wants to get us all killed. I think some of those speeches were edited though, they didnt really go with his lips. But in those speeches he sounded like he was looking forward to oncoming attacks, which was scary..
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395391 - 09/11/07 07:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: supposed bin laden works for bush...something about ties to oil or some such thing.
The Bin Laden family is massive. It literally has thousands of members and Osama is one of like 40 children of the Bin Laden patriarch who started a very lucrative Saudi construction company. The Bin Laden family has disowned Osama.
Now, is it possible that this prominent Saudi family had some dealings at some time and in some way with the Bush family (a prominent American family) directly or indirectly? Of course it is. Is this proof of some type of complicity between Bush and Osama to do bad things or some such conspiracy nonsense? No.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395400 - 09/11/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: Im just saying our attack should somewhat intimidate them as a whole. Because im sure they all would like to fight america, except the few that we are helpin.
I do believe that was one of the ten reasons or so as to why we went into Iraq. The Bush policy-makers thought that such a display of force would be a great way to scare the extremists or at least get them to respect us more. I don't think it was a major reason (I think it was a minor bonus). It has not worked out as planned.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395406 - 09/11/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Besides the fact that osama is like one of 40... Doesnt he have like 40+ kids of his own.
You know. Bush kinda reminds me of hitler but against arabs over jews.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395415 - 09/11/07 07:46 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: Besides the fact that osama is like one of 40... Doesnt he have like 40+ kids of his own.
He doesn't have that many but he does have a lot (at least according to Western standards).
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sublimistri said: You know. Bush kinda reminds me of hitler but against arabs over jews.
I am not a Bush fan at all. But, when I criticize him I have my facts straight. Hitler started wars of aggression for the sole purpose of taking over land and expanding his empire. Bush started the Iraq war because he wanted to remake the Middle East into a stable and prosperous area (which would be a big improvement over the current situation). This in turn would benefit America by reducing the rampant Islamic extremism and by ensuring our oil supplies would continue to flow because there would be stability. Did you see Hitler dumping billions of dollars into rebuilding the conquered European nations?
Bush and Hitler both acted in order to benefit their nation. Hitler did it much more imperialistically and ruthlessly than Bush.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395420 - 09/11/07 07:48 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Our government did not kill thousands of people, so they'd have an excuse to go take someone out for killing thousands of people.
All these theories are a waste of time. If you've ever seen that loose change nonsense they even say, " all of this is fiction, we just pulled out what we liked from all the cover up stories we heard and made a movie out of it, then we said what the fuck and called the movie a documentary".
The war is bullshit, but so is trying to make it seem like even more bullshit. There's enough wrong with what they are doing without making up more utter crap.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: vandago]
#7395439 - 09/11/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well there theorys, but you would be a complete fool to think they "couldn't" be true, at least some of them...and we only scratched the surface.
with all the curropt laws passed, all the currupt things that have happened, how could it even be possible to not have lie's in the air.
politions being paid to pass bills, and it happens all the time, how is anyone so sure it didn't happen on the iraq deal.
i mean, it seems like we kinda agree we went to iraq in part for oil.
but the gov lies to us and makes bs other reasons, if they lie to us about this, clearly their is MUCH more they are hiding...and when you have so many theorys....you just "know" one of them has to be true.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395448 - 09/11/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whenever we do anything in the Middle East, oil is always at least in the top five reasons as to why.
International politics is not social work. It involves doing everything you can in order to get your nation the things that it wants and needs. This sometimes includes stepping over or on other peoples. That's how it goes.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395452 - 09/11/07 08:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find your attitude to be disgusting.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395453 - 09/11/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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we just need to go back to horse and buggy and enstate a birth limit per person.
also off topic but, the core of the earth is like a big engine, and what happens when you drain the oil from one and let it keep running?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: FecalDildo]
#7395458 - 09/11/07 08:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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FecalDildo said: I find your attitude to be disgusting.
It may be disgusting but it's the truth and you know it. 
Land and resources are limited. It is only natural for nations to do what they can to accumulate wealth, gain power, and maintain what power they have. These have been truisms throughout human history. To ignore this is idiocy.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said: we just need to go back to horse and buggy and enstate a birth limit per person.
also off topic but, the core of the earth is like a big engine, and what happens when you drain the oil from one and let it keep running?
Are you aware that the oil that we are harvesting from underground is thousands of miles away from the core of the earth?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: WakeboardrB]
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still its gotta play a role in the movement of titanic plates...its gotta help with something is what im saying.
and im sure it slowly trickles down, the hotter it gets the thinner it gets.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395473 - 09/11/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: still its gotta play a role in the movement of titanic plates...its gotta help with something is what im saying.
and im sure it slowly trickles down, the hotter it gets the thinner it gets.
That's "tectonic" plates. They aren't a ship that sank after hitting an iceberg and later made into a crappy James Cameron movie.
Why don't you try doing a little bit of reading into all of this bullshit that you are blindly accepting as "fact". You seem to talk a lot about what you don't even care to understand.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395475 - 09/11/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: still its gotta play a role in the movement of titanic plates...its gotta help with something is what im saying.
and im sure it slowly trickles down, the hotter it gets the thinner it gets.
I don't mean this to be insulting but how old are you? Have you ever taken a basic science class?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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yeah im pretty sure we all have, but theirs a difference between taking one and remembering it like a hard drive.
so what part of my idea is flawed? and if you notice my wording you will see i never stated it as facts so you can take your "bullshit" to another thread.
i didn't know how to spell titanic plates so i just left it like i did on purpose, i didn't realize you would flame me in the same post. kinda takes the joke out of it don't yah think?
oil is a liquid, hotter it gets the thinner it gets right? so its going to flow faster the farther down in the earth it gets.
you have land masses that float on lava basicly, i was "imagining" the oil eventually made its way between the land and the lava, but you also have lands that crash together...and it happens in layers, and oil would help this happen smoother right? yah...
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395509 - 09/11/07 08:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crude oil actually forms deep below ground as a result of extreme compression and heat and then migrates up to the surface of the earth. The oil reserves or "pockets" that we find and harvest are created after oil hits non porous rock and gets stuck. Believe it or not, but the vast majority of crude oil that is formed underground actually makes it all the way to the surface of the earth and is biodegraded by oil consuming bacteria.
What I was talking about was that you really need to do a bit of poking around and reading about all of these "theories" that you are basing your opinions on.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7395513 - 09/11/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're forgetting that the titanic plates are lubricated by this oil and that on their first voyage to the surface they sink.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
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The pentagram was hit by a rogue titanic plate.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Stizzle]
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the most credible theory in this thread
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395593 - 09/11/07 09:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: yeah im pretty sure we all have, but theirs a difference between taking one and remembering it like a hard drive.
so what part of my idea is flawed? and if you notice my wording you will see i never stated it as facts so you can take your "bullshit" to another thread.
i didn't know how to spell titanic plates so i just left it like i did on purpose, i didn't realize you would flame me in the same post. kinda takes the joke out of it don't yah think?
oil is a liquid, hotter it gets the thinner it gets right? so its going to flow faster the farther down in the earth it gets.
you have land masses that float on lava basicly, i was "imagining" the oil eventually made its way between the land and the lava, but you also have lands that crash together...and it happens in layers, and oil would help this happen smoother right? yah...
Uhh... maybe you shouldn't post anymore. ever.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Rustifer]
#7395758 - 09/11/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i thought i would avoid this thread as i do most of the time.
negative entities feed on energy(or so i hear)
but i figured i'de just drop the greatest and most simple zinger i know.
so randall, how did WTC7 collapse? first steel building ever to collapse from fire without an impact?(and in it's own footprint nonetheless! all those man hours put into figuring out the precise way to blow up a building so it wouldn't harm surrounding structures and it turns out you can just set a couple floors on fire for a few hours, and presto, like magic all floors below it will give out at precisely the same time to allow for a free-fall vertical drop!)
and, how did the news writers anticipate this event that has never occurred once in recorded history? except, instead of actually saying the building is GOING to collapse, they said the building already HAD collapsed... before it actually did. hmmmmm. 
oh well, put a little bit more into this than i intended.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395767 - 09/11/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Buildings are demolished from the ground up
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7395772 - 09/11/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: still its gotta play a role in the movement of titanic plates...its gotta help with something is what im saying.
and im sure it slowly trickles down, the hotter it gets the thinner it gets.
Amazing.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: ravin0ff]
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ravin0ff said: i thought i would avoid this thread as i do most of the time.
negative entities feed on energy(or so i hear)
but i figured i'de just drop the greatest and most simple zinger i know.
so randall, how did WTC7 collapse? first steel building ever to collapse from fire without an impact?(and in it's own footprint nonetheless! all those man hours put into figuring out the precise way to blow up a building so it wouldn't harm surrounding structures and it turns out you can just set a couple floors on fire for a few hours, and presto, like magic all floors below it will give out at precisely the same time to allow for a free-fall vertical drop!)
and, how did the news writers anticipate this event that has never occurred once in recorded history? except, instead of actually saying the building is GOING to collapse, they said the building already HAD collapsed... before it actually did. hmmmmm. 
oh well, put a little bit more into this than i intended.
Watch the video I posted above. They had some guy say they "pulled" it, Its a demolition term for basically collapsing a building. Some guy who studied demolition or worked for it whatever, he said there was a noticible crack in the middle of it when it started going down (the video shows all this) and they believe there was bombs in WTC7 that caused the middle to collapse first (which is a good way to take buildings down so the debree dont fly outwards, instead it flys inwards). They ordered to "pull" it. So i think its possible we might have played a role in bombing the wtc7.
I just woke up so that might be all mixed up or whatever.
Il get you the vid in a second.
Edit alreight here you go, this is from the owner of the building, talkin about WTC7. Well not the whole thing, the owner does talk in this though.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395883 - 09/11/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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What about the flurry of trading and the put options placed on the two airlines and the companies who had offices in the buildings? Gee, that doesn't show some foreknowledge at all. Or the eyewitness statements of multiple explosions going off in both towers starting just before the planes hit the buildings and continuing to their demise? Oh wait, eyewitness statements are NEVER used in investigations, right? Or how about the numerous countries that have come out saying that they forewarned the US about the pending attacks and then Rice saying that it was something they never anticipated. So much cover up for a "surprise" attack.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said: What about the flurry of trading and the put options placed on the two airlines and the companies who had offices in the buildings? Gee, that doesn't show some foreknowledge at all. Or the eyewitness statements of multiple explosions going off in both towers starting just before the planes hit the buildings and continuing to their demise? Oh wait, eyewitness statements are NEVER used in investigations, right? Or how about the numerous countries that have come out saying that they forewarned the US about the pending attacks and then Rice saying that it was something they never anticipated. So much cover up for a "surprise" attack.
Just about all those questions can be answered going from chapter one to twelve of that whole series of 9/11 coincidences. As for the bombs, i found that proof too I watched all this stuff last night...
""9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!""
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7395921 - 09/11/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like how on that day the mainstream media reported on all of this stuff going on and then once the official story came out they forgot about it. I though journalism was supposed to be investigative, not regurgitation of the politician's expert opinion.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: ravin0ff]
#7395926 - 09/11/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah....the nefarious government planners of this scheme to fake 9/11 decided to let a reporter in on the whole secret and the reporter happened to announce the news too soon. 
Did WTC7 collapse because of the chaos and rumblings caused by the collapse of the towers? Maybe. Did demolitions experts run in and bring down the building in order to make it safer for rescuers to get to Ground Zero? It's possible.
None of this changes the indisputable fact that Islamic terrorists hijacked planes and crashed them into buildings and that's what caused the whole occurrence.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7395929 - 09/11/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Randal, did I ever tell you my conspiracy theory about 9/11? I think these Islamic religious zealots got trained as pilots and flew a bunch of planes into buildings. I know, I know - it's going out on a limb. But just step back and think about it for a second.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said: What about the flurry of trading and the put options placed on the two airlines and the companies who had offices in the buildings?
Get your facts straight. There was no "flurry" of activity on the airlines or on the companies in question before 9/11. People rountinely have "put options" up on stuff like airlines just in case there is a crash....because if there is a crash then stocks go down and you can make money off of those put options. Morbid...yes. Illegal...no.
And if there was some flurry of strange trading activity before 9/11 people would have found out about it and traced it.
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trippindad82 said: Or the eyewitness statements of multiple explosions going off in both towers starting just before the planes hit the buildings and continuing to their demise?
Would I trust eyewitnesses talking about something so trivial and easy to misinterpret on such a stressful and awesome occurrence? No. Would I trust eywitness testimony on the major stuff (they saw the planes hit the buildings, etc..)? Yes.
And why would some super-secret and evil government agency take the risk of getting caught by planting explosives when the planes smacking into the towers was good enough to "get a reaction"?
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I'm not surprised that the Bush administration didn't take shit too seriously. The Islamists have hated us for years and they had been unable to do too much to us. Who would have envisioned such a magnificent and bold operation being acted out? If somebody had told me of it beforehand I would have thought, "Pfft...that could never happen.".
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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OneLessForeskin said: Randal, did I ever tell you my conspiracy theory about 9/11? I think these Islamic religious zealots got trained as pilots and flew a bunch of planes into buildings. I know, I know - it's going out on a limb. But just step back and think about it for a second.
Not possible. Bush, Cheney, and the Halliburton corporation had to be involved. Also, those weren't really planes. They were mirages of some type set up by the CIA. It's the only believable explanation.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396026 - 09/11/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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My step mother belives they gassed all the passengers on the plane, and flew it into the shit by radio.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396034 - 09/11/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmm...A bomb going off in 93 wasn't enough to get reaction. They needed deaths and a lot of them. I believe that terrorists flew planes into the buildings. I also believe that certain persons had foreknowledge or were part of the planning and took advantage of a situation to gander support from otherwise passive americans.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said: Hmm...A bomb going off in 93 wasn't enough to get reaction. They needed deaths and a lot of them. I believe that terrorists flew planes into the buildings.
Wait...several large commercial airliners loaded with passengers and being flown into heavily populated office buildings was not enough to ensure a high death count?
???
That is more than enough to kill a lot of people and make a shocking statement. Why add the unnecessary risk of unraveling the whole government conspiracy by setting up bombs? It just seems stupid.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7396067 - 09/11/07 12:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a theory: don't be dumb.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396073 - 09/11/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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3 words.
New world order.
This is what 9/11 and all other recent 'terrorist' attacks have been about. Fear is a very powerful instrument.
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Gumby said: I have a theory: don't be dumb.
That's more of a statement or direction, not a theory. Still wise advice regardless.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Now, I don't believe about 95% of these conspiracy theories, I believe that for the most part, what was told to us happened. That is that hijackers took over planes and flew them in to buildings etc... However, I do fully believe that the Bush administration orchestrated the entire thing.
If they're innocent, why classify 75% of the investigation? Why not testify under oath? Why wait so long to start an investigation? Why give it such a small budget?
The Bush administration and their corporate lackeys benefited so much after 9/11. They got a war in Iraq for oil, an automatic profit contract for Halliburton that is payed for by tax payers that guerentees Halliburton makes a profit, regardless of how they conduct business. I think too many people overlook the fact that Halliburton can buy a 100 thousand dollar truck, light it on fire, and get payed by the US government 103 thousand dollars of restitution. It has lead to a practice of wastefuly negligence so Halliburton can collect the most money possible from American tax payers.
These men are criminals in the truest sense of the word. They not only break the law, they change it to benefit them. With all my heart, I believe they should be shot.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396081 - 09/11/07 12:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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trippindad82 said: Hmm...A bomb going off in 93 wasn't enough to get reaction. They needed deaths and a lot of them. I believe that terrorists flew planes into the buildings.
Wait...several large commercial airliners loaded with passengers and being flown into heavily populated office buildings was not enough to ensure a high death count?
???
That is more than enough to kill a lot of people and make a shocking statement. Why add the unnecessary risk of unraveling the whole government conspiracy by setting up bombs? It just seems stupid.
At the same time: Cost to Larry Silversteen. Those buildings were a biological disaster and needs to be taken down, but he couldn't get approved for demolition as for the asbestos within the building. His answer? Plant some bombs in his own buildings and use 9/11 as an opportunity to get rid of his disaster (or the port authority's). There is a lot of history on those buildings and from my understanding were an investment disaster.
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Gastronomicus said: The Bush administration and their corporate lackeys benefited so much after 9/11. They got a war in Iraq for oil, an automatic profit contract for Halliburton that is payed for by tax payers that guerentees Halliburton makes a profit, regardless of how they conduct business.
You do realize that both Bush and Cheney have no financial stake in Halliburton? Cheney gets a yearly pension from them, but it's the same amount no matter what and he gets it no matter if they make a shitload of money or no money at all.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Haha, right, of course they don't
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7396112 - 09/11/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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makaveli8x8 said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories
just thought i would share.
The part that caught my eye is where they talk about what hit the pentagon, and how they took the video's from teh gastation across the street.
They also talk about how the planes could have been CGI'ed into the movies.
Imagine, a couple hundred "actors" running around screaming about seeing a plane hit, everyone on the ground would take it as truth.
then throw a few video's up and boom you have history.
one of my theorys is this
lets go a little deeper , what if another country wanted to take over the usa. we are actually worth "some" money to someone.
knock out a few buildings ( i heard their are some nice beam technologys out that could demolish these buildings from space)//china anyone?
then shoot a missle into the pentgon while everyone is looking at 2 buildings calapse.
you would pretty much have us by the balls, for a quick and smooth takeover.
and im sure we all noticed how much the gov has changed. maybe alot more than we thought?
anyways thought the conspiracy nutts might like a thread to dattle in
It seems that Rahie has cracked and taken over makaveli's account.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Cepheus]
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Cepheus said: 3 words.
New world order.
This is what 9/11 and all other recent 'terrorist' attacks have been about. Fear is a very powerful instrument.
I suppose it was the "new world order" who kidnapped and murdered hundreds of children in that school in Beslan? Was it the N.W.O. who planted the bombs in Madrid that killed hundreds? How about the London bus and train bombings where they found video wills from the perpetrators admitting what they were about to do? How about the Bali bombings? Or how about the killings of 62 tourists in Egypt at Luxor?
Islamic terrorists are real, they are active, and they want to kill us. Anybody who does not acknowledge that fact is a moron.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said: At the same time: Cost to Larry Silversteen.
Plant some bombs in his own buildings and use 9/11 as an opportunity to get rid of his disaster (or the port authority's). There is a lot of history on those buildings and from my understanding were an investment disaster.
And do you have proof of these assertions?
And even if the man did blow up his own building...so what? That does not change the fact that Islamic nuts hijacked the planes and crashed them into the twin towers.
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Gastronomicus said: Haha, right, of course they don't
Show me proof that Bush or Cheney have an economic stake in Halliburton's profitability.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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If proof was available then they would be truly retarded. Of course they "have no economic stake," just like corporations only contribute 2000 dollars to presidential candidates campeigns. When committing a crime you don't leave evidence lying around.
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So, basically you just pulled this opinion out of your ass and you have no proof. 
These men are already rich. Bush because of his family and Texas Ranger's investment and Cheney because he was a CEO and a smart investor. Do they really need anymore money?
Don't you think if either of them mysteriously started blowing shitloads of money in 5-10 years that nobody would notice? These men will be watched closely for the rest of their lives. If they engaged in any financial shenanigans it will be found out...guaranteed.
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its sounds really fucking skeevy just a reason for them to go to war RIP jumper 
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Bush, Cheney, and the Halliburton corporation had to be involved.
complicity? wasnt the whitehouse notified some 3 months prior to the incident, wasnt GWs response a resounding 'meh'
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Basically. However if you really think that Halliburton will not provide some sort of "thanks" for the millions of dollars this administration has earned for them then you sir are a fool. That's how the political system works in this country. The politicians scratch the corporation's backs and the corporations line the politician's pockets
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This is what I fear alot of americans lack of knowing. This is one of the reasons I support the war, (Im neutral by the way I have reasons I dont like the war too). This is how I see it.. If we dont do nothing then we will be prone for more attacks (If they get away with it the first time theyl be like "ALLAH!!" and send more bombers)..
Imagine If you could get away with whacking someone in the head with a 2x4 once a day who hospitalized you and robbed you. Would you give them theyre good whacking the second, third, fourth, fifth days?
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Because nothing makes the terrorists love us more then bombing their countries
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You act like they loved us in the first place and we are breaking the ties. We are responding to an attack.
edit, even if its the wrong country.
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They loved us while we were giving them weapons to fight a proxy war with Russia for us
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The CIA produces a "threat matrix" every week for the presidential administration to peruse. There's tons of shit in it from people who made threats against us. It's easy for something to get lost in the shuffle.
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The people flying the planes loved us too , we are returning this tough love.
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Gastronomicus said: Basically. However if you really think that Halliburton will not provide some sort of "thanks" for the millions of dollars this administration has earned for them then you sir are a fool. That's how the political system works in this country. The politicians scratch the corporation's backs and the corporations line the politician's pockets
If any financial shenanigans happen the press will be all over it and Halliburton (already suffering from bad press) will be skewered.
Also, if you have no proof of something then don't say it.
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No, that's not my point at all. Why do you think we were attacked on 9/11? Because we're free and happy and have flowers in our hair?
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I don't need to corroborate everything I say. You're mistaking opinion for fact
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Good question. We were supporting sanctuaries that killed iranian(?) well some kind of muslim children, Randall knows this im sure he can explain. But they are in holy wars over there, I wouldnt be surprised if the kids were dead even if we werent over there.
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Ahhh....well if you admit it's an opinion and provide no evidence then we have no problem. If you assert that it's fact and provide no evidence then we do have a problem.
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Show me proof that Bush or Cheney have an economic stake in Halliburton's profitability.
I recon he just surrendered all the stock he held in the company when they awarded Haliburton the contracts
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Good question. We were supporting sanctuaries that killed iranian(?) well some kind of muslim children, Randall knows this im sure he can explain. But they are in holy wars over there, I wouldnt be surprised if the kids were dead even if we werent over there.
Al Qaeda has declared that its main beefs with us are as follows:
1. Our support of and favoring of Israel. 2. Our troops being stationed in the Middle East (especially the kingdom of Saudi Arabia). 3. Our meddling in Middle Eastern affairs in general. 4. Our support of the sanctions which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children.
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Yes, he did.
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The CIA produces a "threat matrix" every week for the presidential administration to peruse.
it was made by the FBI and wasnt part of any 'scenarios' presented for bush's entertainment, it was due to suspicious activities of aliens that had obtained entry under student visas, 'students' that were on the watch list.
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I'm sorry to press, but I didn't ask what Randall thinks, I asked what you think
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Ahh. Even so, do I fault Bush for missing the shit? No. I fault the intelligence agencies though. They should have been more on the ball.
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Im pretty sure most of these are facts 1. Our support of and favoring of Israel. <-- Seems like a fact 2. Our troops being stationed in the Middle East (especially the kingdom of Saudi Arabia). <-- Well known fact 3. Our meddling in Middle Eastern affairs in general. <-- dunno 4. Our support of the sanctions which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. <-- Fact bin laden even said this himself in one of the videos i watched. When he declared this holy war.
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Yes, he did.
this 'surrendering of stock' came with a 30 million dollar retirement and the value of the stocks when they were sold.
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Fuck, I can't even remember what my point was... fucking weed
Anyway, I think it was something like waging war on a country does not punish a seperate group that was responsible, it only enrages them further
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Upon his nomination as a Vice Presidential candidate, Cheney purchased an annuity that would guarantee his deferred payments regardless of the company's performance. He argued that this step removed any conflict of interest.
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I still believe he recieves off the book payments. Or even if he doesn't, he abused his power to make his friends richer.
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Anyway, I think it was something like waging war on a country does not punish a seperate group that was responsible, it only enrages them further
The Bush policy-makers thought that the Iraq war would work out easily and it would benefit the Middle East and America in general. It's unfortunate that they were wrong.
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they were on the ball, what was the FBI supposed to do, murder bush so they could go ahead and remove these student pilots from flight school? the oval office was informed of the situation, they abstained from doing anything, that shows complicity in any court of law.
if I were planning to rob a bank and you had knowledge of my plan your failure to report it would have you sitting in the defendants chair along side me as a fellow conspirator
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yeah, but they used to know they were wrong. Cheney himself said during the first gulf war that entering bagdhad would be a "quagmire." So what changed?
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Anyway, I think it was something like waging war on a country does not punish a seperate group that was responsible, it only enrages them further
Maybe until they arent there anymore. You know bin laden has to live a paranoid ass life, hes got one hell of a money stack on his head, and weve killed saddam, that shoulda been a wake up call for Bin laden . We pulled saddam out of a hole, bin laden cant keep this hide n seek going for too much longer.
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Show me proof. I mean real proof...not conspiracy theory crap.
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You are asserting that the Vice President supported sending U.S. troops to war in order to make some of his friends a few more million? If you are declaring this then show me proof.
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who bought the stock?
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Bullshit, Bin Laden is for the most part in the clear. He's not paranoid at all because we have no idea where he is. Saddam we knew couldn't have left Iraq, but Bin Laden could be literally anywhere in the world right now, especially with the funds at his disposle
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Once again, opinion. I have nothing to support my theories other then logic. Although if you're saying that Haliburton didn't get a no-bid contract then I have plenty of proof for that.
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9/11 made the neo-cons much more interventionist in their foreign-policy aspirations.
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But when did that change the fact that entering bagdhad would be hopeless?
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He could be anywhere in the world right now, but it wouldnt be smart for him to go somewhere where people careless about this war and kno what type of money is on his head, hel get shot real quick. Hes gotta be in the desert somewhere. I doubt he would travel to one of his enemies territories or even a neutral territory. He would have to be somewhere thats kind of an ally in my opinion.
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he's not hiding, there were numerous chances to take him or put him down, none were taken because bin laden keeps good company, bin laden wasnt involved in the WTC I mean surely the FBI would acknowledge it if he did it.
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Well yeah, but that's somewhere like Iran, Pakistan, or maybe even back in Afghanistan. Whereever he is he is well protected. I predict Bin Laden dies of natural causes. His followers believe in him whole heartedly and will gladly kill and die at his whim
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he's not hiding, there were numerous chances to take him or put him down, none were taken because bin laden keeps good company, bin laden wasnt involved in the WTC I mean surely the FBI would acknowledge it if he did it.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Wow, that's bizarre. I mean, that really shocks me. Looks like Bush did orchestrate 9/11
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he's not hiding, there were numerous chances to take him or put him down, none were taken because bin laden keeps good company, bin laden wasnt involved in the WTC I mean surely the FBI would acknowledge it if he did it.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm
Yea I seen some vids about finding him. We got vids from planes that clearly show bin laden, yet we didnt lay a bomb on him. Maybe we are watching him to find out where the nuclear program is. This really makes me wonder, once we seen him, why would we stop watching him, its possible we do know where hes at.
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by whom? them or us?
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our nuclear program? maybe that of the chinese or koreans
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This really makes me wonder, once we seen him, why would we stop watching him, its possible we do know where hes at.
we always know where he's at, dont believe the bullshit about bad intel that the CIA is occasionally receiving
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7396428 - 09/11/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, we're not killing him because Bush is behind 9/11. Don't you see? It's all linked. Everything happens for a reason.
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Gastronomicus said: But when did that change the fact that entering bagdhad would be hopeless?
Hey, I think that these foreign policy makers are often idiots. These people have Ivy-League degrees and they still craft policies that result in monumental political failures. Having a degree doesn't make you smart.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396432 - 09/11/07 01:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: Maybe we are watching him to find out where the nuclear program is.
our nuclear program? maybe that of the chinese or koreans
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This really makes me wonder, once we seen him, why would we stop watching him, its possible we do know where hes at.
we always know where he's at, dont believe the bullshit about bad intel that the CIA is occasionally receiving
No I was talking about the nuclear program said to be done in Iran, Somewhere i seen this was linked to bin laden somehow (I watched this vid a while back), Id figure once we spotted him with a plane, cant we just watch him with satellites?
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Gastronomicus said: Looks like Bush did orchestrate 9/11
research the omnibus crime bill, I believe it was dated 1992, read it along with the patriot act...
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Yes, they're stupid, but you see, the same people said it would be hopeless, then later they said we'll be in and out in a few days. Did they forget that there was no way invading Bagdhad would go well? No, they knew it would take forever, that's why Halliburton got the contract. If you're always making profit then why stop rebuilding the country? Well good thing they don't have to because half of it gets blown up every damn week.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7396446 - 09/11/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: No I was talking about the nuclear program said to be done in Iran, Somewhere i seen this was linked to bin laden somehow (I watched this vid a while back), Id figure once we spotted him with a plane, cant we just watch him with satellites?
Ah yes, just like the one that Saddam had. you really have to build shit up well in advance before you can act now, we cant invade iran without good cause and a haliburton pipeline isnt good enough
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396447 - 09/11/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: who bought the stock?
In 2005, the Cheneys reported their gross income as nearly $8.82 million. This was largely the result of exercising Halliburton stock options that had been set aside in 2001 with the Gift Trust Agreement. The Cheneys donated just under $6.87 million to charity from the stock options and royalties from Mrs. Cheney's books.
Cheney has a Gift Trust Agreement pursuant to which an Administrative Agent has the right to exercise those options and distribute the proceeds from the sale of the resulting stock to certain charitable organizations.
Seems on the up and up to me.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396451 - 09/11/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Show me proof. I mean real proof...not conspiracy theory crap.
You are asserting that the Vice President supported sending U.S. troops to war in order to make some of his friends a few more million? If you are declaring this then show me proof.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396454 - 09/11/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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By the way guys, the person we hung wasn't Saddam. FYI.
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Gastronomicus said: No, we're not killing him because Bush is behind 9/11. Don't you see? It's all linked. Everything happens for a reason.
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sublimistri said: Heres more possible truth bush knew about it (he slips and tells you he knew about bombs), and more proof that there was bombs in the towers which I watched a different video which pretty much made me 90% sure there were bombs that played a role in the towers.
watch that vid.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396461 - 09/11/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Looks like Bush did orchestrate 9/11
research the omnibus crime bill, I believe it was dated 1992, read it along with the patriot act...
I fail to see the connection. Would you kindly explain what I should be looking for?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: sublimistri]
#7396465 - 09/11/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did. 90% of it is bullshit
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396466 - 09/11/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Cheney has a Gift Trust Agreement
Seems on the up and up to me.
if you set your money into a trust do you still have your holdings or does it no belong to someone else?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396477 - 09/11/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Democrats pointed out that Cheney receives deferred compensation from Halliburton under an arrangement he made in 1998, and also retains stock options. He has pledged to give after-tax proceeds of the stock options to charity.
He is receiving a deferred salary that was instituted way before 9/11 and the Iraq war and he is giving the proceeds of his stock options to charity. Does he still have financial ties to Halliburton? Yes. Is he profiting off of Halliburton's profits? No.
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Prisoner#1 said: research the omnibus crime bill
I fail to see the connection.
that's the problem, no one sees the connection, the patriot act and omnibus crime bill are the same, a few thousand extra riders in the PA but they are the same bill, the OCB didnt pass the first 7 times it was presented to congress, it was done after the branch davidian stand off, the Richard Murrah Fed Bldg bombing and a few other minor events, things that weren't quite enough of an outrage
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396490 - 09/11/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Is he profiting off of Halliburton's profits? No.
we do not know, we can only speculate
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396491 - 09/11/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I must have read the wrong bill. The one I read dealt with minor offenses and human cloning
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must be... I'll see if I can find it for you
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396502 - 09/11/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, I'm having a hard time finding it. Lots of omnibus crime acts, but not the bill you're talking about
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Gastronomicus said: I did. 90% of it is bullshit
Ahh shit I pasted the wrong vid, this was in the other 9/11 thread.
We ran a drill on the 9/11 preparing for an attack that was for the exact attack. And bush slips in this video. Wrong video sorry about that. Check it out... We were running these drills before the attacks, and bush says we had no idea that anyone would run a plane into a building.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7396509 - 09/11/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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New world order.
This is what 9/11 and all other recent 'terrorist' attacks have been about. Fear is a very powerful instrument.
I suppose it was the "new world order" who kidnapped and murdered hundreds of children in that school in Beslan? Was it the N.W.O. who planted the bombs in Madrid that killed hundreds? How about the London bus and train bombings where they found video wills from the perpetrators admitting what they were about to do? How about the Bali bombings? Or how about the killings of 62 tourists in Egypt at Luxor?
Islamic terrorists are real, they are active, and they want to kill us. Anybody who does not acknowledge that fact is a moron.
Eh? you mistook what I meant there. I'm not saying it was the NWO (are they even a group? I thought it was more of an ideology) that did these atrocities, but I do not for one second doubt that various governments are playing various 'terrorist' organisations for their own benefit.
When I say New world order, I mean the step forward towards totalitarianism, Complete and utter power, intelligence and destruction of privacy.
All of these atrocities are used by government sanctioned propaganda outlets to strike fear into the hearts of their citizens. In some respects I think it really is similar to the reichstag fire. It might not of been Hitler that did it (in this case the american government) but an organisation which is someway affiliated with the government (like that dutch communist, or in this case the bin laden family). Both groups of people stand to gain a lot from this.
And never underestimate your government. I can name several atrocities which America is directly responsible for.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396515 - 09/11/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edit - nevermind, no I didn't
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Gastronomicus said: Thanks, I'm having a hard time finding it.
I'm finding all sorts of references and bits of the bill but not the bill it's self, I'll see if i can locate some fido archives with the bill
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396669 - 09/11/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, it's really elusive.
Forgive me but, what does this bill being the same with the patriot act have to do with bush orchestrating 9/11?
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there were several attempts to pass the bill, a few pieces were taken and used to start new bills, many of which passed, each time the bill was presented to the senate/house there was some act of 'domestic terrorism', the first attempt was just before waco tx/davidians, the second was just after waco. the following attempt was 2 years later just after the Murrah Federal Bldg/OKC Bombing
2 grand acts of domestic terrorism, both with high death tolls, both under questionable circumstances, both tied to legislation that's strikingly similar.
in the OKC bombing there was no investigation, the building was demolished within days of the incident in order to let the country 'heal', military experts said that it was impossible for the blast to have been from just an ANFO bomb, seismography records disappeared that indicate several explosions.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396835 - 09/11/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The rabbit hole just gets deeper doesn't it? It's really a pity we can't call these swine out for what they are: Murderers.
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wanna take it back to the Regan Administration? Bill Clinton and the Menna Airport were involved, drugs, guns, cover ups... it's all about chasing the money
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396860 - 09/11/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where did the corruption start I wonder? My guess would be after WW2 when it became apperant that industry benefitted from war
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it started when man got to thinking.
in 1910 a legal ruling was made which put the US under maritime law instead of common law, common law requires there to be a victim and/or a loss for there to have been a crime... During WW2 the government started censoring the media as a matter of national security (the radio often was privy to 'eyes only' documents)
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
#7396913 - 09/11/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sometimes I really just want to give up on humanity... it's all so fucking depressing. Nothing changes, nothing improves, when will we fuck up so badly that we all will die and end this charade?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: jewunit]
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I know. It's because I haven't had my daily bong load

fuck it, I'ma go get cheetos
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I intend to if things are taken farther. As I have said before, if a "terrorist" attack occurs next year and Bush retains power I will gladly take up arms. How old do I have to be to buy an assault rifle?
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so was it the gov or osama/alqaeda that blew up the buildings???
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7397400 - 09/11/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Get your facts straight. There was no "flurry" of activity on the airlines or on the companies in question before 9/11. People rountinely have "put options" up on stuff like airlines just in case there is a crash....because if there is a crash then stocks go down and you can make money off of those put options. Morbid...yes. Illegal...no.
And if there was some flurry of strange trading activity before 9/11 people would have found out about it and traced it.
Ah, but see there was, it just has not been reported on by the MSM.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
#7397477 - 09/11/07 05:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yah I have to agree more than 8 years with bush I'm going to be really disappointed if I'm the only one willing to give my life to take his.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: Rustifer]
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I'm in. I will buy a gun the day that shit happens and head straight to wherever. I don't really think we are going to be alone in our quest to knock those fuckers down. That is if he tries to pull anything.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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If that actually did happen (which it won't, I would put anything possible on it that it wouldn't) you think they would be dumb enough to leave gun shops open? Yes, I know you can get guns other ways, but if you're so worried about it you might as well just go get one now.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: jewunit]
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To be honest, yes, I think they will. He's very pro-guns, and so is what little of his base remains. If Bush shuts down guns he's not going to be dealing with armed angry hippies, he'll be dealing with armed angry rednecks
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
#7397925 - 09/11/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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trippindad82 said: Ah, but see there was, it just has not been reported on by the MSM.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
If this flurry occurred then the people making the put options could be traced quite easily. Why weren't they traced?
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
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trippindad82 said: Ah, but see there was, it just has not been reported on by the MSM.
http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html
If this flurry occurred then the people making the put options could be traced quite easily. Why weren't they traced?
As I understand, they were done anonymously and never claimed. Also, there was such a large amount of trading traffic for those few days that it's tough to dig through. Just look at how thorough the 9/11 investigations were.
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7398035 - 09/11/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because the government was behind 9/11
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Re: September 11 Wiki Theorys [Re: trippindad82]
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trippindad82 said: As I understand, they were done anonymously and never claimed. Also, there was such a large amount of trading traffic for those few days that it's tough to dig through. Just look at how thorough the 9/11 investigations were.
So, they were never claimed? That kind of defeats the purpose of doing it in the first place now doesn't it? And, is it possible that some Islamic militants around the world knew of the impending attack and took out the put-options? Yeah, it is.
This isn't much proof of anything methinks.
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