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An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. *DELETED*
    #7395022 - 09/11/07 03:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: azseattle]
    #7395069 - 09/11/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That really depends on if you take what you learned, and use that knowledge to your advantage. Also, a mushroom trip every once in a while ain't so bad :P


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: azseattle]
    #7395079 - 09/11/07 04:09 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Right on! Well you may.. keep an open mind an an up beat attitude. I use mushrooms for 2 purposes. consciousness expansion and development. The positive feeling could last a while. I find that it normally lasts a week or so but there is also a long term unconscious effect. Lets say you may not feel anything but you act differently. So im normally happy for a week and then generally more positive for about 3. You will most likely find your own vibe. I found that i can use trips as therapy, trying to meditate on how i want to be and to implant positive reactions to common difficult situations


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: azseattle]
    #7395123 - 09/11/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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azseattle said:However, I am worried about the well known fact that what goes up must come down. I do not want to depend on drugs/alcohol to make me feel happy.. I don't even feel like tripping anytime soon but being a novice tripper, I would like to know from the more experienced trippers if they have ever felt like this.. will I fall back to the state I was in a few days back before taking mushrooms?




Don't feel like just because you are happy you can't stay that way. A lot of people have trouble being happy because they dwell on the thought of the happiness going away some day. I'm sure you do have the afterglow, but don't forget about what you have learned that has made you happier. You don't have to depend on drugs (alcohol IS a drug) to make you feel happy, but psychedelics can help you understand how to be happy.


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: azseattle]
    #7395760 - 09/11/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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azseattle said:
It has been a few days and I still feel joyful and happy..THIS is the way I always wanted to be...

However, I am worried about the well known fact that what goes up must come down. I do not want to depend on drugs/alcohol to make me feel happy.. I don't even feel like tripping anytime soon but being a novice tripper, I would like to know from the more experienced trippers if they have ever felt like this.. will I fall back to the state I was in a few days back before taking mushrooms?




I've thought about this a lot since i started taking psychedelics (a year ago today :grin:)  I'm not a superstitious person at all - i'm a scientist and i definitely don't believe in karma or whatever, but for some reason i get really hung up on the idea that i should somehow have to pay for a really good trip... With alcohol you get a hangover, and with mdma, well, ouch...

This is a bit silly, but now i actually prefer to make the early part of a trip a bit tough on myself, rather than doing anything to avoid getting anxious on the come up.  That way i feel like i can have the attitude that 'what goes down must come up' instead of the other way round, and make the most of the whole rest of the trip and the afterglow (which lasts about a week for me IF i trip alone - not evident at all if i trip with other people).

A lot of people on this forum seem to take the attitude that shrooms and LSD can be 100% life-enhancing drugs if used responsibly.  I have difficulty getting my head round this, possibly because i had a *very* effective anti-drugs education (didn't even get drunk till i was 18) and i'm still getting over my reservations!  Thought this might help you anyway. 

(If you've read the hitchhiker's guide, i always think of the people who live backwards in time.  "the only race known actually to enjoy hangovers, because they know it guarantees that a tremendously good evening will ensue"...)

So yeah, don't think yourself down!  if you read around on here a lot of people have got permanent benifit from a trip.  perhaps don't think of it as 'taking this drug has made me feel happy' but just as an experience that's helped nudge you out of a rut.  the psilocin is out of your system after all, which means if you're feeling happy now, it's real.  good luck keeping it up! and like others have said, if you fall back in the rut, another trip now and again might not hurt :wink:


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: tinyclanger]
    #7396035 - 09/11/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This is my take on it

Trips have always helped give me a positive mood for a while afterwards, that afterglow that you are talking about. think of someone who has encountered a near death experience - they feel changed afterwards, more blessed to be alive, but life becomes mundane again. Again however, for some people they are so deeply affected that their experience permeates their life on a daily basis for as long as they are alive.

If you don't do mushrooms for a while you'll probably recede into your normal self. Thats just the way it is for me. Acid gives me the longest lasting after glows out of all of them. Best anti-depressant effects I've ever experienced. I really struggle with the ups and downs of trips actually. I've stopped tripping for the time being cause I can't handle the shifts. This is just me though. I really wish I could find a way to retain that afterglow...:confused:


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: azseattle]
    #7398626 - 09/11/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That sounds a lot like me, I had so many issues when growing up, especially when I was very young, I had 2 neurotic parents, I was putting all the abuse and the fear i had when growing up under myself and not confronting them, instead making these evil head games for years, where I was always hating myself, and I would hurt me and mostly the people that love me, something like bad programming, all this years I ve been living in darkness and hiding behind drugs, I could not look people in the eye when I talk to them, I wanted to die everyday and was hoping for it. Sometimes I would be just ok and deal with all but I was crumbling inside, I have always been depressed, and pessimist and I would carry that around me all the time.


Somehow the whole thing is gone, I am at peace with myself and learned how to forgive me and the fucked up abuse from my parents. I am a new man, I love the air I breathe and every pump of my heart, I am trying just to love everyone, and have a new approach to life, the monster in me is gone. And now I am happy for the first time. All of this thanks to my brothers burners at the burningman, I am so thankful that I could experience that, and now I am trying to pass it around.

Life is to experience love, no love no life, that is what I learned in my last trip. Once I surrender to love everything became perfect.


I am happy that you are happy brother.

I love you all.


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Re: An ex-alcoholic's first bad trip with very rewarding effects.. [Re: today mylove]
    #7398646 - 09/11/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up everybody.. Today, I feel like I am back to normal, perhaps even a little bit below normal. I say that because I notice bad/sad thoughts coming to my conscience but then again, I am making every effort to put a big red stop sign whenever I get a negitive thought (metaphorically speaking :smile: ) and try to find positive in each of them.

I recall the happiness I experienced on MDMA and as much as I would want to try it again, I do not trust substances made in a lab as much as I trust organic/natural substances. Besides, I recall feeling really empty and sad for quite a long time after MDMA experience was over. This did not happen to me with mushrooms. I will probably not do acid either even if I have a chance to even though it could be possible that acid is safer than shrooms which hasn't been proven yet.


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