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Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate....
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If you guys have been checking out the pictures forum lately then im sure you guys have seen night trains recent posts and outstanding success with cubes and pan trops on store bought compost. If you havnt seen them check them out the cubes here and here and pan trops here. My face went like this when I saw these posts---> I was simply amazed that store bought compost could produce that. Producing mushies in bulk using compost is the way to go if you have the time and space to do such operations and this is exactly what I want to do but I ran into some problems which are that I needed a reliable source of compost and I was left to resort to ordering from online vendors and thats was simply too expensive for me. Maybe im just misinformed or somthing but I have never seen a post like night trains depicting store bought compost as the substrate. Unfortunaltly for me, I live in the city and I dont have a barn or a feild I can go to and collect dung from and im sure many of us dont have that luxury either. So I would like to direct this post to those who are interested in doing bulk production of mushies using store bought compost or manure while only spending under 10 bucks for hauge bag of compost.

The day I saw these posts I went on a search for the Scotts 3n1 Organic Compost mix that night train used but I came up empty handed. I called and made trips to nurseries, Lowes home depot, and Orchard and none of them carried that brand of compost Bummed I looked aroudn the stores only to find other brands of organic composts and manure. I figured if one brand works then so could others and I bought this compost...

Here are the ingredients...
Does it work? I dunno but im going to find out. I will soon get an order of filter patch bags that I ordered from the Sporeworks and I will fill them with the compost and some vermiculite like night train did and put some spawned grain into it and see what kind of results I get. Each one of these bags of compost is very cheap, this one cost me 2.98 plus tax. Dirt cheap if this compost yeilds results like in those posts. I dunno aobut you guys but I wouldnt mind spending 3 bucks to test out a new compost that I can use for my bulk production plans and I think thats what Im going to do until I find a compost that works great. Hopefully I will find one but if I dont then thats ok I will do it for my own research and for you guys the members of the Shroomery so you guys can benefit from my findings.

In about a week I will begin my search for a good store bought compost that can bring satisfactory results in our quest to find the easiest, cheapest and best way to grow our sacred mushrooms. I will post my findings in this thread. Stay tuned my fellow farmers.

If anyone has already tried some store bought composts or manures please post in this thread and let us know what kind works and what kind doesn?t work.

Thank you and wish me luck.

I would like to give mad props to night train for this "break through" (ehhh maybe not) in making our mushroom producing ways cheaper and more convenient and giving me the inspiration to actually go out and look for a storebought compost that works. once again night train...mad props.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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....fungicides are the issue with store bought compost. You cant find straw anywhere?


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: pleezr]
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Does this mean that everything I wrote might as well go in the trash?

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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Thanks for bringing this up again.
I have yet to see a good comparitive analysis of store bought compost. If you have the time and desire something with the following information would be quite informative, in my opinion:
Brand, region, method used, and production/results. Info from the mfg. regarding additives would be nice, although the results may speak for themself.
If you do have the time and the impetus to try several brands with simmilar or, even better, nearly identical methods for comparison I am sure that many people might start trying out this shortcut.
Thanks, enjoy your day.


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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If it is truely Organic, (bad regulations in this area) then there should be NO fungicide/herbicide ect. Quite a few products claim to be organic. You might try to email the company to ask, or just find out through trial/error. Good luck!

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: Frog31337]
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In reply to:
Quite a few products claim to be organic


that is so true


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: pleezr]
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Here is the Scotts compost that was used for substrate in the pix referred to above. In a few trials, it was noted that some of the store bought compost was steer manure or just manure with a mix of either forest products or organic matter. All trials with compost containing the forest products (ie pine fines usually) created very poor results if any at all. One other brand that created nearly the same results was Northwoods brand manure/compost.




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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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Here is the other compost that created some decent results also.



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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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The compost that I got contains forest products...does that mean that this compost wont work?

night train, at what point did you realize that a compost will not work? Such as did the mycelium colonize the compost at all or the compost did colonize but it didnt fruit at all or very well or somthing else?

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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are you pasteurizing this guys? I'm ready to try an experiment with the organic, so far I've been pasteurinzing, thinking it's a waste of time, and pillow cases!

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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If you can't find a bag of compost worth using(?), try this.

Quick easy organic compost (if you can find & get the stuff to make it).

Wheat straw or alfalfa PELLETS (feed or pets stores). Dry or aged horse or cow dung (stables, farms and/or dairies). It's worth a day trip to find the stuff.

Any ratio by weight from 50/50 to 75/25 pellets to dung works.

Hydrate the dung with water to soften it. Ladle into a blender or food processor & whip into a thin soup. In a big rubbermaid tub hydrate the PELLETS with the soup.

Once wet, the pellets disintigrate into a micro/fine shredded straw or alfalfa fibers. The pellets will absorb the dung soup. Add enough soup to make the mixture just wet enough when you grab a handfull & squeeze (hard), it drips -- only a drop or two.

Saran wrap the lid on the tub (to keep out flies & gnats -- that love the stuff). Let it set a few days or a week. It will create a lot of heat -- quick composting. Once it begins to cool down. You got an organic substrate.

To be double safe, fill a pot with this mix that will fit in a bigger pot of water (double pot boiler) & pasturize the pot holding the compost using a candy thermometer in the water between the two. That's it. Spawn the stuff.

SixTango



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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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Great thread and Im glad you brought this up. Im currently spawning Creeper through Heartland composted manure mixed with crushed rabbit food. So far so good, and Ill be posting pics soon in the picture forum. All in all I like compost, but horse shit kicks ass except I can't seem to get my hands on any lately. Oh well they stay cleaner that way I guess.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: We_come_in_peace]
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The compost containing the composted forest products colonized well, it just would fruit worth a damn. A lot of abhorts, and very few if any mature fruits came off of it.


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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i'll help in the investigation. i just bought some composted sheep's manure and spawned it with a Kreeper cake.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: World Spirit]
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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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just purchased scotts compost at lowes.

and a bale of straw.

Edited by walt (07/13/02 03:44 AM)

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: walt]
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I am curious... a friend of mine has a farm where about 5 years ago horses were kept. Now every winter these horses would be bedded with straw (which they would shit all over) and in the summer the straw would be cleaned out and thrown on a big pile behind the barn. The pile is still there, but is now overgrown with grass and weed somewhat.

Is the matter inside the pile still usable? These animals were grain fed.

Are there any precautions that should be taken with this material? It is very dark and rich in texture, slightly damp in the midst of the pile, and it is obvious that straw is part of the mix, through it is greatly decomposed.

Any help would be great. (sorry to ursurp the true purpose of this thread, I just need some advice.)

Thanks,

Hammy.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: Hammerloaf]
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Go ahead and give it a try, I would.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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this

works juuust fine for me
I usually use it in a 1:4 mix with straw, but it works well on its own too.
the brand is Westland, about ?3 or so in gadren centres all over the UK


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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Since I cant find Scotts 3-n-1 compost mix anywhere I decided to email them and I got this reply:

Thank you for your interest in Scotts and for the opportunity to help you
with your lawn and garden
endeavors.

Scotts 3-In-1 Organic Mix is no longer in our product line. You
may want to check your local
retailer for a replacement product.

Again, thank you for your interest in Scotts. Please feel free to contact
our company anytime we may be
of assistance.

Consumer Service

So those of you that have stores that still sell this stuff you guys better go stock up on it cuz its gonna disappear.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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it really fucking works . i just got a bag.
spawned a few days ago. and it is eating that stuff up.
it was mixed exactly like nightrain recomended with verm.


thanks dude.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: walt]
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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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no shit ?
man, i'm glad you posted that,
i better get my ass back to lowe's tommorow and buy all they have.
thx for the tip...


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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i just went to my local lowes and found a whole "shit" load of the stuff. i also went to scotts web site and it was still there...you just had to search a bit. i got a 32 pound bag for like 3 dollars. ggggggggreat. its around, and as far as ive found its not actually off their product line. grow on guys.

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: mile69]
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i was refering to scotts 3-n-1 compost stuff...sorry if my prior post was confusing:)

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: Hippie3]
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Hey there,

The Lowe's I went to had several pallets of the stuff...I grabbed two bags but will go back for 8 more. 280lbs should do it...and it is good for the garden also.

Best regards,

KingBolete

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: KingBolete]
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is the scotts compost outside or inside the store?
just wondering cause i wanna start searching...

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
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Hey there,

The Lowe's I went to has a garden area that is on the end of the store...it is open air but shaded and all the bagged soil, compost, mulch, etc. is kept in the area. There is a fence surrounding it and connecting it to the store....

Best regards,

KingBolete

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: KingBolete]
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Thanks I can't find any at my lowes
How much does a bag of this weigh?
does anyone wanna make a deal. I'd like to get some shiped to me if possible?
We can work out the details via pm.
I'd be happy to trade or pay for it whatever works
wish they had this stuff in my area!

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
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Did you call any of your local nurseries? Most carry compost as well...

Or you can look up horse farms in the yellow pages...large boarding barns have tons of poop to get rid of every week...sure they wouldn't mind giving you some.



Bop

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: KingBolete]
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well i went to the local lowes and asked if they could order dome in for me they said no
Because it isn't being carried in my state
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
I'm gonna have to get creative again

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
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Some more proof this shit works. Here is a stately flush of aussie?s on the Scotts 3n1.



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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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ah man...
Now I want ieven more i I can't get any in my town

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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NICE! was that mixed with vermiculite? i just spawned some w/o it and not sure if it will work. also how much water did you add, mine held in clumps straight out the bag. is that enough moisture? (i added just a tad)

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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I have some of lil shops Aussie strain colonizing some jars. Now I have to try out that Scott's 3:1 for them!! What a pretty pic!


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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The crappy thing is I have a Scotts distribution center ( A big warehouse and open lot full of fertilizer) not more than 2 miles from my house, and I still can't find this compost. Goddamn compost nazi's they are!

Oh, and by the way thats one hell of a flush there night.


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: night train]
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i am currently using a store bought mushroom compost from a nusery where i live. 4 days ago i spawned it wiht F+ on millet and i do have to say it is work pretty nice. it is stating to put off some nice rizmorphs.


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
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Just picked up 3 more bags, they have 2 palletts left. Everytime I go by the local Lowes I pick up a few.


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: Drummer]
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none for me

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
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So if we can't find northwoods or scotts 3-in-1 (damnit!) what other kinds have people used with success?


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: BlueBruiser]
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you guys know the diffence between dehydrated cow shit and composted cow shit? well from a little research on the web i heard dehydrated is more cow shit than composted which has more wood debris and bunk

if anyone has used dehydrated cow shit and got results please post

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: trippy]
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bump


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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: indkebr]
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Well i got some Black Forrest premium organinc compost from a artsy fartsy nursery
Hears what it contains:
Forrest Humus
Chicken manure
fir bark fines
rock dust
dolmite lime and oyster shells for ph buffer
i must admit it is very light and fluffy
My friend added about .5 part verm and 1 part wormcasings, and a little cow manure for good measure to litghten up the compost.
i can keep everyone posted on my friends experience if you like...

Edited by psilocybinjunkie (08/22/02 07:01 AM)

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: trippy]
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Wood debris isn't necessarily a bad thing for cubie compost. . .

Might find this interesting:

http://forums.theforestfloor.org/ikonboard.cgi?s=3d6538532a7bffff;act=ST;f=5;t=83;hl=zoo+doo+and+wood

It is -to this day- the best stuff I've ever used, and has shitloads of wood shavings in it. [partially composted]

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Re: Store bought Compost? Lets Investigate.... [Re: Suntzu]
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In reply to:
Wood debris isn't necessarily a bad thing for cubie compost. . .

I agree. Scotts 3n1 compost has a high wood debris content and it works well.


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