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stopping the twitching
#7393962 - 09/10/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have a friend who I have recently persuaded to take shrooms and he didn't have a death trip but said it was uncomfortable. He said he felt really twitchy, really confused, and over stimulated in the mind making it hard to comprehend the basics. I said "thats tripping" but now he doesn't think he will ever enjoy shrooms. He also took a low dosage and didn't have what I would call a psychedelic experience. Can you guys recommend anything to help make his experience more enjoyable? I experience these things when I trip as well but I can handle it and still have a good trip. He was in a sorta intense environment, his own house but 6 friends over who were not tripping and all talking and he said he could not follow the conversation at all. I would say hippie flip to make sure he has a good trip but I don't trust todays beans and I don't think he would be down with taking a home made tablet known to carry meth.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: clemens]
#7394439 - 09/10/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I will tell a story of a trip I had this weekend that I feel may possibly show you how to help you're friend.
This weekend I was tripping with 4 friends. Me and my friend J were having a bad come up, the normal anxiety and what not. My other two friends decided to go for a walk on my suggestion that maybe with less people I could deal with this bad come up better.
So it was just me and my friend J, he was just sitting in a chair kind of feeling shitty. I had wrapped myself up in a blanket and just sat on the couch. Thoughts were just flying through my head, I couldn't focus on the external world at all.
When my friends came back I told them we were having a bad time and everything and it didn't dawn on me until my friend D pointed it out.
They were going outside on a beautiful day while we were sitting inside in a dimly lit room. I was wrapped in a blanket and my friend was sitting in a chair moaning. While they were gone mainly the things we had said were 'yeah, this is gonna be a bad trip. That's too bad, I guess we're just going to have to deal with it.'
Why would we not have a bad time, we were doing the best we possibly could to have the worst time possible lol.
So after that I went outside for a walk and we had a great time for the remainder of the trip. That first part thankfully only lasted about an hour. So my advice is you're friend just needs to eat some mushrooms and do something. Regardless what he's doing, he needs to get involved and do something. He will eventually find the joy in everything.
Edited by krypto2000 (09/10/07 11:24 PM)
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: krypto2000]
#7394648 - 09/11/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was going to say something similar to krypto. I think you should get him to try shrooms again and you two just go do something to occupy yourselves walk somewhere, adventure anything. Otherwise you end up sitting still bored thinking how your having a bad time and it goes downhill from there.
Also trying to keep up with sober peoples conversations while tripping is hard and can get really confusing, so maybe next time have him trip around less people it makes the environment seem much calmer.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Lysergsaure]
#7394955 - 09/11/07 02:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i only once chilled with sober people once while tripping, (5 g shroomz)
and the only think i could come up with to cope with what they were saying is that they were crazy and that their words should not be taken seriously but rather as one big joke that wasnt funny at all.
one of them asked me "are you in that introspective stage of the trip?"
i couldnt do anything but laugh.
DONT CHILL IN A ROOM WITH SOBER PEOPLE THEY ARE CRAZY!!!
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: pong]
#7396555 - 09/11/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can chill in a room with sober people and still have a fun time, I think I can just handle it a lot better then him. Next time I will get him to go outside and adventure with me, maybe that will change it. I was looking for a substance known to calm the trip down a bit besides MJ. Kratom? Kanna? I want something that will not take the trip away but add more of a pleasurable body high.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: clemens]
#7396585 - 09/11/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would suggest some Cactus maybe...But I love cactus...so...
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I was looking for a substance known to calm the trip down a bit besides MJ
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For his next trip I suggest this- Some Kava Extract 1 beer, 1 Shot, or a glass of wine 1-2g of Shrooms Ginger Mint A small joint or bowl of some good cannabis
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7396726 - 09/11/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sober people dont make any sense tripping.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: anthony034]
#7397041 - 09/11/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Kava extract will definitely calm him down. It works great for me, and although I've haven't had any mushies since I discovered it, I can't wait to use it next time I trip to avoid the come-up anxiety that I usually get. Try to find the liquid kind, NOW is a good brand, and 2-3 droppersful should do the trick.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7397065 - 09/11/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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2-3 drops or droppers full of extract?
Giai herbs is a great producer of Kava extract...
I use 3 dropperfulls...which is like 60 drops...
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Edited by Teotzlcoatl (09/11/07 04:03 PM)
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7397078 - 09/11/07 04:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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frisbee. haky sak.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7397105 - 09/11/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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2-3 dropperfulls... i guess droppersful is a kinda weird way to write it.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7397125 - 09/11/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha ya... So about 60 DROPS right?
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7397160 - 09/11/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ummm.... I dunno, I don't really count how many drops I'm using... I just squeeze the little black thing on the end of the dropper and it pulls up the kava and that's a dropperful.
Why the ? I answered your question.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: boxcarguy07]
#7397170 - 09/11/07 04:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just did 2 dropperfulls...
I just did the rollyeyes cause it was funny how you spelled dropperfull and I donno even know if dropperful is a word...that's all
But we are way off-topic, sorry to the OP...
But ya, Kava is the way to fix your friends axiety...
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: pong]
#7397193 - 09/11/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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pong said: i only once chilled with sober people once while tripping, (5 g shroomz)
and the only think i could come up with to cope with what they were saying is that they were crazy and that their words should not be taken seriously but rather as one big joke that wasnt funny at all.
one of them asked me "are you in that introspective stage of the trip?"
i couldnt do anything but laugh.
DONT CHILL IN A ROOM WITH SOBER PEOPLE THEY ARE CRAZY!!!
Yeah, even if it's people you like. I'm beginning to find there's a pretty huge incompatibility between tripped-out thinking and sober/stoned thinking, even to the point that good friends soberly interacting with each other can come across as disturbing. Something I've learned recently is that tripping is best alone or with one or at most two other people (preferably also tripping).
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So you all say Kava will help? I think next time we will explore the woods and if anyone seems to not be having a good time maybe some Kava. What about the feeling of something is wrong, out of place. I recall him saying to me "I feel like I should be doing something but I don't know what".
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: clemens]
#7398509 - 09/11/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said the same thing the first time i tripped and i think it was because i wasn't doing anything.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: Lysergsaure]
#7398652 - 09/11/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lysergsaure said: because i wasn't doing anything.
you know, I find it EXTREMELY hard to do the simplest task while tripping.
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: clemens]
#7400879 - 09/12/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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in my humble opinion...
you should ask him/assess his ability to feel at ease when he's not in control of a situation because it sounds like his awkward experience had some roots in that issue.
I've trip-set lot of people on their first time and there are some that become overwhelmed with a sense of anxiety when (imagine that) the world does not appear or act in ways they are accustomed to.
You also have to make sure he's not on any specific medications (SSRI's, MOAI's, etc.) because they can and will have interactions that can effect how the psychedelic effects his brain. Having a couple day's break from those meds before dosing is not only a good idea, it can potentially prevent some dangerous counter-indications.
Last, but not least, is his brain chemistry in general. I was just mentioning on another post how lose dose shrooms give me the same effects as mdma - higher doses throw a trip in for that ride...but that's just my funky brain chemistry. I get that jaw-shivvering experience (like on mdma) from anything that plays with my serotonin...sex, being scared, too much caffeine or nicotine and especially my ADHD meds (amphetamines - currently vyvansce)
Regardless, trying to get him to dose again while he's still processing the anxiety from the first one will only exacerbate the problem...
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Re: stopping the twitching [Re: mycocurious]
#7401420 - 09/12/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
mycocurious said: in my humble opinion...
you should ask him/assess his ability to feel at ease when he's not in control of a situation because it sounds like his awkward experience had some roots in that issue.
I've trip-set lot of people on their first time and there are some that become overwhelmed with a sense of anxiety when (imagine that) the world does not appear or act in ways they are accustomed to.
You also have to make sure he's not on any specific medications (SSRI's, MOAI's, etc.) because they can and will have interactions that can effect how the psychedelic effects his brain. Having a couple day's break from those meds before dosing is not only a good idea, it can potentially prevent some dangerous counter-indications.
Last, but not least, is his brain chemistry in general. I was just mentioning on another post how lose dose shrooms give me the same effects as mdma - higher doses throw a trip in for that ride...but that's just my funky brain chemistry. I get that jaw-shivvering experience (like on mdma) from anything that plays with my serotonin...sex, being scared, too much caffeine or nicotine and especially my ADHD meds (amphetamines - currently vyvansce)
Regardless, trying to get him to dose again while he's still processing the anxiety from the first one will only exacerbate the problem...
Thank you so very much you really do make a lot of sense
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