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Patriots = Spies?
#7392466 - 09/10/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just saw this article on Boston.com
Hope it turns out to be untrue. 
http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2007/09/signals_in_focu.html
NFL security confiscated a video camera and its tape from a New England Patriots employee on the team's sideline during Sunday's game against the Jets in a suspected spying incident, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported today.
Asked about the report, a Patriots spokesman said the team had no comment. The spokesman said it was an internal matter.
The story was first reported by Scout.com.
The ESPN report notes that the NFL's competition committee could hold a conference call on the matter. The NFL's competition committee includes Titans coach Jeff Fisher (co-chairman), Falcons general manager Rich McKay (co-chairman), Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, Giants executive vice president/CEO John Mara, Lions general manager Matt Millen, Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, Colts president Bill Polian and Panthers president Mark Richardson.
http://jets.scout.com/2/677745.html
It’s no secret the Jets and Patriots are two organizations that aren’t on the best of terms. And after the stunt the Patriots reportedly pulled at the Meadowlands on Sunday, the relationship might have just taken a turn for the worse.
According to a Meadowlands source, a member of the Patriots organization, with a credential issued by the team, was spotted by Jets security chief Steve Yarnell shooting near the New York bench.
And according to the stadium source, when questioned by Yarnell, the unnamed individual said that he was put up to it by the Patriots.
The cameraman was reportedly accused by Yarnell of shooting the Jets' signals that were being sent by the coaches from the sidelines.
The source says that the NFL is being made aware of this accusation.
If this is true, the Patriots could be subject to a serious punishment from the league office.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7393023 - 09/10/07 06:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is pretty astonishing. It reminds me of Watergate. McGovern had absolutely zero chance of winning the election but the mutts from CREEP couldn't help themselves and had to pull a third rate burglary. Morons. If Bellichek had anything to do with this I think a four game suspension would not be too harsh at all.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7393034 - 09/10/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You a Jets or a Giants fan Zappa?
Oh wait, I seem to remember you being a Bills fan, my memory serving me correctly?
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7393186 - 09/10/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree Zappa. I hope that it turns out to be a mistake, and that the Pats organization didn't put the guy up to this, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Somehow I can't see Bellichick having a part in this - he seems like a pretty hard working stand up guy. Maybe I'm wrong though. If it DOES turn out that the organization was behind this, they should be punished severely, that's fucked up.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7393219 - 09/10/07 06:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow - this really doesn't sound good for the Pats.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3012989
"The league's competition committee could conduct a conference call about the incident, which violates NFL policy, and ultimately recommend a penalty that could cost the Patriots a future draft pick or picks if it verifies that the team was spying on the Jets.
"It's not their first time," a member of the committee, who did not wish to be identified, said.
In fact, Green Bay Packers president Bob Harlan confirmed a similar incident that occurred when the Patriots played at Lambeau Field last Nov. 19. The same cameraman who was questioned by NFL security on Sunday was also the one whom the Packers removed from the sideline and escorted from the field during their 2006 game, according to Packers security official Doug Collins.
"From what I can remember, he had quite a fit when we took him out," Harlan said. "We had gotten word before the game that they [the Patriots] did this sort of thing, so we were looking for it."
Jeez
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: jewunit]
#7393328 - 09/10/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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jewunit said: You a Jets or a Giants fan Zappa?
Oh wait, I seem to remember you being a Bills fan, my memory serving me correctly?
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Bills it is. I can tolerate the Giants but I fucking hate the Jets. And it has nothing to do with their success or lack thereof against the Bills. I just think Jets fans are by and large loud obnoxious retards who are the leftover dregs of NY football fans who couldn't latch onto the Giants. I was at a MNF game about 20 years ago when the Bills were slobberknocking the retards and there were all these fights all over the place and bonfires of paper hats. I was wise enough to tell my out of town friends to leave their Bills shit home and to keep their heads down and their mouths shut.
Sorry OLF. Hey, you know why they have that J-E-T-S chant? It's a spelling drill.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7393338 - 09/10/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Liz said: I agree Zappa. I hope that it turns out to be a mistake, and that the Pats organization didn't put the guy up to this, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Somehow I can't see Bellichick having a part in this - he seems like a pretty hard working stand up guy. Maybe I'm wrong though. If it DOES turn out that the organization was behind this, they should be punished severely, that's fucked up.
Not for nothing, but Bellichik is just about the only person who could use the information.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7393393 - 09/10/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't get what you mean by that - you mean because of the Mangini/Bellichick history?
I guess I'm going to try to reserve judgment on this until more facts come out about what was on the tape, and if in fact that organization put the cameraman up to this....but it definitely doesn't sound good, and I'm disappointed at what I'm reading so far. With all of the talented players that the Pats have, if they are doing this, it's stupid, because they can win on ability, not classless bullshit like this.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7394173 - 09/10/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah yes, the infamous Pumpkin game.
One of the proudest moments in Jets history. I still have my Campbell's soup hat, which were given out before the game and a lot of them burned during it:
As the evening progressed, a change in crowd emotions became apparent, when during the second quarter the Bills' offense repeatedly overpowered the Jets' defense. More heckling than cheering now echoed through the stands as fans voiced frustration with their team's dismal performance. The crowd booed the Jets defensive unit, and several times they chanted: "Joe (Jets coach Joe Walton) must go, Joe must go." By halftime, spectators started to exit the stadium as the home-team Jets trailed by 31-7. Following the half, a few fistfights broke out among young male spectators, commanding more crowd attention than the one-sided football contest. The score had run up to 34-7 when the pumpkin incident began late in the third quarter. In an end-zone lower section, the attention of neighboring fans centered on one male spectator blowing into a giant inflatable pumpkin. Bright orange, it appeared to be about four to five feet across and two feet high, sporting a yellow jack-o-lantern face. As the man puffed into the pumpkin, people nearby chanted, "Blow, blow, blow," which quickly drew the attention of others surrounding the area. Spectators in ever-widening circles then picked up the chant. By the time the man fully inflated the pumpkin, a large proportion of the stadium's spectators had focused toward that direction, since the pumpkin was clearly visible from most seats. When inflated, its owner tossed the pumpkin into the air.
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Security eventually took the pumpkin away and that is when people started lighting the hats and seats on fire.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7398450 - 09/11/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cheater cheater pumpkin eater
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: jewunit]
#7398587 - 09/11/07 09:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7398624 - 09/11/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You are suprised a team named the Patriots were spying on people without their knowledge? Need I remind you about NSA wire tapping? Its that on a small scale.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7400241 - 09/12/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7400252 - 09/12/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahahaha
dude this could take away all kinds of credibility from their 3 superbowls as well.
You never know, but they very well could have used this type of espionage to win their 3 rings.
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Belichick is such a goddamn prick.
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this shit makes me laugh
as a Steelers fan who saw his team get creamed by the Pats in 3 AFC championship games...
CHEATS!!!
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7400385 - 09/12/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: You are suprised a team named the Patriots were spying on people without their knowledge? Need I remind you about NSA wire tapping? Its that on a small scale.
Keep your commie crap in PA&L, where it belongs. For the life of me I can't understand why they would do it. You can get the signals off the TV feed. Dumb Nixonian nutlogs.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7400650 - 09/12/07 01:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, someone takes satire a little too seriously.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: ledfut]
#7400672 - 09/12/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agreed
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7400682 - 09/12/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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From Kissing Suzy Kolber
FOXBORO, Mass. -- New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick today defended his controversial warrantless wiretapping program in a combative press conference, calling the practice "an essential tool in the war on other teams."
"Those who would criticize this program simply fail to understand the state of the league as it exists today," Belichick said, following six minutes of inscrutable mumbling. "There are teams out there that hate our way of life, our way of winning and are bent on defeating us. We must take any and all measures to avoid that outcome."
Privacy experts and league officials have decried the practice as an unlawful invasion of personal rights. New York Jets rookie cornerback Darrelle Revis said, "This is a disgusting, unconstitutional act that borders on the Orwellian." He then added, "Fuck."
Yesterday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell determined that Belichick violated league policy when he authorized the FBI to tap the phones of the coaches of the other 31 NFL teams, as well as a few married women he was creeping with. The league also found he had installed a computer chip inside the brain of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning that causes him to see visions of M.C. Escher drawings.
Goodell said the Patriots could be fined multiple draft picks, likely a total cop-out with all the picks coming in the second day of the draft, as well as docking Patriots quarterback Tom Brady one weekly media suck-off. The Patriots immediately appealed the ruling and Brady pumped his fist menacingly in the direction of Goodell.
"The last thing this league needs is an activist commissioner trying to legislate from his cushy Manhattan office," Belichick bristled. "If we are to maintain stability in this sport, it is imperative that the New England Patriots maintain its status as the lone power atop the NFL. If not, upstart teams like the Jets could plunge the league into chaos and we could find ourselves in a world where we wouldn't know who would win the Super Bowl before the season even started."
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hahahahaha that is a fucking great post 
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That's funny.
In reality though, it's pretty widely known that lots of teams have done and still do stuff like this. Teams have stolen each others playbooks, crap like that. The Patriots got caught and look like assholes now, and they will no doubt be made an example of. But really - I think they're good enough to beat any team without this kind of crap. I don't think this takes away from the seasons that they played incredibly and won super bowls, because when it comes down to it, the players on the field and their athleticism won the games, nothing else. I'm still very disappointed in them though, and hope that they will think never pull this stunt again in the future.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7402553 - 09/12/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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you never know though...
recording and tracking defensive signals is a pretty frickin big advantage.
It basically means your offense knows where the coverages and blitz will be coming from. It's like playing Madden against someone whose already chosen their defensive play.
If all this shit is true, it very well could take away alot of credibility from the patriot's dynasty.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
#7403337 - 09/13/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Excuses, excuses, excuses!
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
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word i have to agree with LiquidSmoke. I disagree that every team does it as well, the pats are notorious for this and have already been accused once and possibly more than once. the packers are claiming they did it and also the lions might now be claiming they did it to them too.
lets see how they do now without their *special* halftime adjustments.
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Actually they haven't been accused once. They caught this same guy taping on the sidelines before, but after reviewing the tape there wasn't ANYTHING against the rules on it - he was just taping the game itself. He just forgot to have his special "vest" on that identified him as a member of the organization or whatever.
Like I said before, I'm disappointed that they've done this, and I'm not making excuses for them - but lots of teams DO do this. The NFL allows taping of the games, just not taping of the coaches on the opposite teams. I think it's pretty safe to say that in most tapes the coaches are going to appear somewhere, whether the person with the camera meant to focus on them or not.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
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That's funny.
In reality though, it's pretty widely known that lots of teams have done and still do stuff like this. Teams have stolen each others playbooks, crap like that. The Patriots got caught and look like assholes now, and they will no doubt be made an example of. But really - I think they're good enough to beat any team without this kind of crap. I don't think this takes away from the seasons that they played incredibly and won super bowls, because when it comes down to it, the players on the field and their athleticism won the games, nothing else. I'm still very disappointed in them though, and hope that they will think never pull this stunt again in the future.
I'm sure that wishful thinking is flying all over the Boston area but outside the candle-pin bowling alleys, no one's going to buy it.
Face it, the dynasty is and always will be tarnished.
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looks like the Patriots may have been using these tactics during their superbowls as well.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3017964
"Every time the Eagles rushed Brady in the Super Bowl, the Patriots nullified the defensive attack with screen passes. Lots of them. On almost every play defensive coordinator Jim Johnson called for a blitz, the Patriots used the short pass to confuse the Eagles."
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They still can't beat the Broncos and that's all that matters...
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Yesterday I called to give my patriots fan friend some shit and he replied witht he same shit I see people defending them with here....
"you can see the same thing from television...blah blah blah"..... well if there is no difference, then why would the patriots have kept doing this? it is obvious that it gave them an advantage in some way better than spying from the other side of the field.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Liz]
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what sucks about making them give up one or two picks is that it means there are one or two people that wont be going to the NFL because of that, which is unfair to them.
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That's some iffy logic if I've ever seen it.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: Redstorm]
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im not defending the patriots, but it just seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime.
doing something like barring them from the playoffs or suspending their coach would be more appropriate.
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No, just because they don't get drafted doesn't mean they won't get their chance. It just means one or two more people that would have been drafted in the 500th round won't so instead they'll just get picked up like every other undrafted free agent.
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YawningAnus said: im not defending the patriots, but it just seems like the punishment doesnt fit the crime.
doing something like barring them from the playoffs or suspending their coach would be more appropriate.
Then whoever won the Super Bowl this year would have an asterisk by their name: "New England Patriots barred from playoffs, might have won it except for douchebag of a coach."
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its the patriots that should have asterisk by their names under superbowl wins.
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Although I agree with the Gaper that B should have been suspended, I don't think that there have been any roster spots deleted so there will be exactly the same number of players in the NFL as otherwise. And my observation that you can get this shit of the TV is in no way a defense. They were specifically told not to do this kind of shit and they did it in a stupid way. I would have gotten away with it. Dumb, Nixonian bullshit.
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Re: Patriots = Spies? [Re: AaronEvil]
#7408677 - 09/14/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i believe this "no taping the other teams sideline" rule was just made either last year or this year.. so this is why this is the first time you're ever really hearing of someone getting in trouble for this.. cause its been going on forever, just now its illegal. which i think is a good idea
anyways, i hate the pats so...
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