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TEAL_MUST_DIE
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Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to
#7391529 - 09/10/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to before trippin"
why the fuck do i fall for it and believe that shyt exists when i told myself before dosing that i wasnt going to, is it because we forget???
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Salvia_Antics
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7391663 - 09/10/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The drastic change in consciousness probably. You make the statement in normal consciousness and you cant sustain it when tripping cause its totaly different senerio.
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burntcokie13
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: Salvia_Antics]
#7391840 - 09/10/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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becuase when you're sober it's easy to dismiss that shit as a "hallucination" cuz that's what everyone tells you it is. When you are tripping, however, the raw beauty, and power, and wisdom of the mushrooms opens up your eyes to the truth.
It IS the truth, the mushrooms know exactly what they're doing, and they know exactly what message to give you. And it's so easy to forget and dismiss all that shit when you return to baseline, but then you just wasted a trip. Tripping for me is not about having a good time, it's about exploring and understanding.
Don't dismiss them, man. Embrace the shit you see and hear, and then see where it leads you.
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jesusvsbuddha
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: burntcokie13]
#7391906 - 09/10/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the curse of sobriety has been applied to the human consciousness. like burntcokie13 said above, the mushrooms do know the truth, and they will reveal it to you. stop trusting your sober insticnts if your intsincts on mushrooms feel more real, as is the case with me. the humbling, magic, little fungus are capable of yanking our experience right out of the human consciousness and put us right up there where we always have been and will always be. the illusion is killed.... hopefully someday we won't have to rely on drugs to obtain this.
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: jesusvsbuddha]
#7392485 - 09/10/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree completely with burntcokie13 and jesusvsbuddha.
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Teotzlcoatl
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7392498 - 09/10/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gr33nTree73



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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
#7392765 - 09/10/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Teotzlcoatl said: THEY ARE REAL!
 
Agreed, while it is a farfetched theory for some I follow the beleifs of T. McKenna who pretty much says that hallucinations are the spirit of nature. So when a tree looks different on mushrooms your seeing the spirit, when you see the oceanic ripples of grass it's truly the spirit of the grass and the mushrooms are just a chemical messanger which delivers information from one species to another, or in our case from all of nature to that of our own kind (humanity). Far out but I like to believe it.
Another reason though is when your at a high does which generally causes the most vivid hallucinations I beleive shock is a great factor. Mental shock can interupt rational thought and therefore you begin to believe what you see is real.
My last reason for why is the altered conciousness often drives people to a thought loop of "will I ever be back to normal", derived from this people become more enthralled in shock which like I said before can cancel out rational thoughts in the human mind.
If you were looking for a scientific answer over theories then I have no idea
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#7392833 - 09/10/07 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I agree you shouldn't dismiss all of hallucinations some effect your brain *filters* allowing you to perceive to your full potential. This can show you a lot of truth.
Mushrooms are a powerful teacher. And a human being is capable of unimaginable things. Keep that in mind.
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: Infested]
#7392847 - 09/10/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Infested said:
Mushrooms are a powerful teacher. And a human being is capable of unimaginable things. Keep that in mind.
In regards to that I think shrooms might open up portions of the human brain which otherwise are never used throughout a persons life, what those portions are capable of no one really knows...
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JstHereFrTheCake
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: Gr33nTree73]
#7392848 - 09/10/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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echoes73 said:
Another reason though is when your at a high does which generally causes the most vivid hallucinations I beleive shock is a great factor. Mental shock can interupt rational thought and therefore you begin to believe what you see is real.
Thats why. Plus I don't think you could see it if you didn't believe it, hallucinations are the things that your are experiencing. The wires get crossed in your brain and things that don't normally (soberly) come out suddenly appear.
Seeing sound is a good example of this, it is your brain trying to interpret acoustic phenomena as visual information. You are experiencing the things you hallucinate, you are experiencing the world you always experience but in a very very different way.
This is the power of psychedelics. Thats why they are important.
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
#7393017 - 09/10/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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like other people here, i like to assume whatever i'm seeing or feeling is completely real.
of course you do have to be able to make the distinction between whats coming from inside you and outside you before its safe to assume that.
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unbeliever
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7393366 - 09/10/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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define: "real"
impossible.
the end.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: unbeliever]
#7393604 - 09/10/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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the term hallucination is not one that a person on psychedelic would use ordinarily.
Probably they would use perception, apprehension, vision, sensation, sound, appearance, apparition, cartoon...
Normal perception is less enriched to the extent that partials are not still lingering from previous moments.
Psychedelic perception is enhanced and enriched by these lingering partials, which can easily associate with memory and imagination to form chimeric experiences that are 100% real.
these experiences are at least as real as experience that is more dry such as without psychedelic enhancement. (hence the term hallucination is odd)
The astonishing events of a trip should make you question your reactions in general to perceptions, not just your reactions when inebriated.
IMO questioning perception is the best souvenir you can return with from a trip.
I may have turned your question backwards but it is a good one to ask.
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LazyCrash
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: burntcokie13]
#7394206 - 09/10/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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burntcokie13 said: It IS the truth, the mushrooms know exactly what they're doing, and they know exactly what message to give you. And it's so easy to forget and dismiss all that shit when you return to baseline, but then you just wasted a trip. Tripping for me is not about having a good time, it's about exploring and understanding.
I agree with this wholeheartedly. The mushrooms create amazing synchronicty. They do it to show you things, to make you think, to make you learn. Its a cooperative effort, the music, setting, and actions you conciously choose is influenced by the tripping experience to create awe-inspiring synchronistic moments.
One time at the end of an absolutely amazing trip (I've probably shared this experience several times in other threads, but it is the one that stands out more than any other), I walked outside to smoke a cigg and reflect on the massive amount of intellectual retooling I did, and as soon as I sat down, the sun hit a spot through a tree and shone directly on me. In the same instant, a large gust of wind, a small flock of birds, and a stray cat whooshed by me...the vibrations that coarsed through my body were devastating, in a good way. It made me feel like everything I thought about was correct that day.
The next day, I found a copy of Many Lives, Many Masters sitting on a table in my living room. My mom's friend had let her borrow a copy of it, I got to it first, and my life has never been the same.
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burntcokie13
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: LazyCrash]
#7396422 - 09/11/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"hallucinations are the spirit of nature. So when a tree looks different on mushrooms your seeing the spirit, when you see the oceanic ripples of grass it's truly the spirit of the grass and the mushrooms are just a chemical messanger which delivers information from one species to another, or in our case from all of nature to that of our own kind (humanity). Far out but I like to believe it."
I dont find this to be far out at all. On the contrary, it is very very close to me...but i have done a lot of mushrooms. Tell that to someone who has never tripped and you'll get a different response.
"the sun hit a spot through a tree and shone directly on me. In the same instant, a large gust of wind, a small flock of birds, and a stray cat whooshed by me...the vibrations that coarsed through my body were devastating, in a good way. It made me feel like everything I thought about was correct that day."
Badass, dude. I love when shit just comes together like that. It's never been quite that synchronized with me, but i know how you feel. It's so amazing when the earth/universe/god puts on a show like that; a show that is only for you to see and understand at that very moment in "time." Fucking awe inspiring.
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mycocurious
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: burntcokie13]
#7400955 - 09/12/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the buddhist belief that "life is suffering" fits this question very aptly.
Buddhist believe that "reality IS" and that the difference between what reality IS and what your personal expectation of what reality "should be" is defined as suffering. It is, however, the human nature to desire therefore... "life is suffering".
If you apply it to this paradigm, you're basically side stepping that innate process that attempts to confine or restrict what "IS" into what you believe it should be...
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: mycocurious]
#7401272 - 09/12/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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because it really is there, the stuff you see while your tripping is always there, your brain is communicating between different receptors than it normally does. The things you see are really there, you jsut cannot see them normally enless you teach your brain to communicate seritonin between the right receptors.
(this is all my purly hipothetical bullshit, nothing scientific)
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Re: Y do u believe in ur hallucinations even wen u tell ur self not to [Re: TEAL_MUST_DIE]
#7401314 - 09/12/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because hallucinations are a chemical phenomena. When you're seeing a skinny green alien grooving with some small species of furry fauna in a cave, it's not some abstract nonconcrete process in your brain; it's a very specific series of synapses creating that image.
It's possible to raise your consciousness above some weaker hallucinations, but not the stronger ones; that's why you can't 'wish them away'.
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