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fireworks_god
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Opportunity
#7391281 - 09/10/07 09:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The course of our lives, who we are, this present moment, have all manifested due to their being the opportunity for it all to do so. For example, I would not be capable of benefiting from interacting with this forum if the opportunity for me to do so was not there.
Obviously, that isn't an amazing realization. What gets me thinking, however, is how different it would be for people if they were provided with opportunities to seize. Its common, in Western civilization, to find individuals who are surrounded by plenty of potential to seize opportunity, yet they don't have the opportunity to realize it and seize it.
Yet, at least that potential for opportunity is there, laying dependent upon the choice of that individual. What really causes me concern is the thought of the majority of individuals in this planet who do not have opportunity to manifest themselves in even the most basic ways, like, for instance, providing for their own sustenance.
Do we allow some people to starve and suffer and perish, especially when they don't have the means to provide for themselves due to lack of opportunity? If we truly appreciated the opportunity that we ourselves are immersed within, would we not realize how beneficial it is to influence reality so that others have the same opportunity? 
Right now I'm basking in a comfortable setting, jamming on a bass guitar, enthused by how fufilling years of playing have brought this session to be, dreaming about how beautiful the one I love is. Coupled with this experience, is the realization of how fortunate I am to have had the opportunities in my life to bring me to this point in time, so that I could soak in all kinds of musikk and develop my skills at producing it, and being able to find my love, to be the person that I am and to share life with another in such amazing ways.
How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
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A Budhist perspective may be that you are enjoying the credit you have earned for yourself, while that African woman with breast cancer is reaping her own rewards. Under such a system there only need be education on "Right Action".
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391382 - 09/10/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In this perspective, how would I have earned this credit? This perspective seems to imply that it is deserved for this woman to suffer, and I'm not sure the perspective reflects the nature of reality. Cancer manifests due to natural causes, the thought that the woman "earned" it baffles me.
In such a system, how is there to be an education on right action if the opportunity does not exist?
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You ask many questions.
Let us begin with an understanding on the present method of punishment as in "Let the punishment equal the crime" and try to retrace an origin of breast cancer.
Some guy in the middle-ages got killed by having a red-hot poker shoved up his anus. How did this fit his crime? "It felt like a red-hot poker up my anus!" the little boy said.
Ah! Now we get a hint of what causes breast cancer. Did the mother withold breastmilk from her children?
"how is there to be an education on right action if the opportunity does not exist?"-
If there were education on right-action then there would be no opportunity to exact revenge (and we all know who 'Revenge' belongs to)
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391409 - 09/10/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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A Budhist perspective may be that you are enjoying the credit you have earned for yourself, while that African woman with breast cancer is reaping her own rewards. Under such a system there only need be education on "Right Action".
Such a perspective is more suited to the time when Buddha lived, not now.
"The right action" as I see it is giving the woman an opportunity to get proper medical facilities and education on the early signs and symptoms of cancer.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: shakercee]
#7391440 - 09/10/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cancer isn't always preventable, and I'm not going to pretend that the prevalence of advanced health care is an opportunity that we will see anytime soon.... The nature of life is that we do die, after all....
Yet such advanced health care is within the means of those with the opportunity to seize it, and I guess the heart of my concern is whether or not opportunity is there for anyone who wishes to take appropriate action to seize it. Does affording the opportunity to own a yacht take away the opportunity for another to eat?
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Re: Opportunity [Re: shakercee]
#7391455 - 09/10/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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shakercee said:
"The right action" as I see it is giving the woman an opportunity to get proper medical facilities and education on the early signs and symptoms of cancer.
"If you can't keep you dick in your pants then you deserve the consequences (of child support payments etc)"
Yeah, lots of people deserve 'mercy' from a 'compassionate' perspective.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391497 - 09/10/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not really so concerned about the realizations regarding cause and effect here, but moreso the circumstances in which we have been produced within, and how that naturally effects the opportunities we have to manifest ourselves.
For example, I have not been giving much means personally, but I have been given opportunities to develop myself, and to basically live the life I wish to live. A grandmother buying you a bass guitar or picking you up and letting you stay at her house every day when she is at work so that you can use the internet for one summer when you are younger can go one fucking long way towards changing your life in the most amazing ways. I certainly haven't been given a lot, but its truly benefited me to have such opportunities.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391518 - 09/10/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"Cancer isn't always preventable"- Her suffering is preventable (maybe you didn't read the article: -Fear of morphine dooms third world poor to die painfully- (I'm experiencing difficulty linking and such))
She is ready to die But that option isn't available to her either without throwing herself under a truck.
"Yet such advanced health care is within the means of those with the opportunity to seize it,"- I believe more in the 'trickle down' theory where existing practices trickle down to those without them. Hopefully the less fortunate amongst us will feel the relief from the trickle-down theory even tho they may have deserved everything they get
"Does affording the opportunity to own a yacht take away the opportunity for another to eat?"-
Does seizing the opportunity to own a yacht take away the opportunity for another to eat? Hmmm...(this may be a different topic on ethical conduct)
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fireworks_god said: The course of our lives, who we are, this present moment, have all manifested due to their being the opportunity for it all to do so. For example, I would not be capable of benefiting from interacting with this forum if the opportunity for me to do so was not there... I'm not really so concerned about the realizations regarding cause and effect here...
You're not concerned with cause & effect, yeah ok.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391573 - 09/10/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not what I said.
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We got it in writing.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391614 - 09/10/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I expressed that the ideas I was concerning myself with in this thread was not regarding the nature of cause and effect itself, but rather the ideas I then elaborated upon. Naturally cause and effect is in play, but was not the focus of my topic. Fortunately your misinterpretation isn't evidenced within what I stated.
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fireworks_god said: I expressed that the ideas I was concerning myself with in this thread was not regarding the nature of cause and effect itself, but rather the ideas I then elaborated upon. Naturally cause and effect is in play, but was not the focus of my topic. Fortunately your misinterpretation isn't evidenced within what I stated.
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Yet, at least that potential for opportunity is there, laying dependent upon the choice of that individual.
The choice of the individual, to seize the opportunity or not, is not related to 'cause & effect'
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391656 - 09/10/07 11:51 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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He did not say that it was not related. If you read his statement, he said that cause and effect was in play, but that his topic was not regarding the nature of cause and effect itself. 
IOW, a discussion of the karmic link between breast cancer and choosing not to breastfeed is not germane to this topic.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Veritas]
#7391667 - 09/10/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said: He did not say that it was not related. If you read his statement, he said that cause and effect was in play,
Thankyou for bringing it up that 'cause & effect' is in play.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7391863 - 09/10/07 12:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't bring it up, Fireworks did. You quoted him saying so.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Veritas]
#7392123 - 09/10/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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IOW, a discussion of the karmic link between breast cancer and choosing not to breastfeed is not germane to this topic.

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How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
I don't see any reason why we couldn't have much more equality in the amount of opportunities available for people. What would need to change is the fear of scarcity (death anxiety)in the human heart. Not really the fear (that may always be there to some degree) but the way we react to it.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Icelander]
#7392544 - 09/10/07 04:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Knowledge. Contextual knowledge, raised and be done to one's and other's and else's beneficial filled opportunity...
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Icelander]
#7393194 - 09/10/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icelander said: How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
I don't see any reason why we couldn't have much more equality in the amount of opportunities available for people. What would need to change is the fear of scarcity (death anxiety)in the human heart. Not really the fear (that may always be there to some degree) but the way we react to it.
I'm pretty sure if a person knew their actions warranted a less than desirous future experience then that would be enough cause to delay death for as long as permissable.
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Know what you mean. I grew up in a family with money. I tried so hard to get away from that mind set but it doesn't work, for me, without money. I feel extremely fortunate to have had financial backing through college and to have further education paid for. I had time to soul search because of money, period. Hate to say it, but in this world... $$ is opportunity. Sucks. Full circle.
However, good ideas are priceless it seems. Open season??
What needs to change?? How people think about money, how they make it, and how they spend it. And, the way people think, honestly. "You only see what you believe."
Damn these fuckers got it figured out.
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fireworks_god said: so that I could soak in all kinds of musikk and develop my skills at producing it
Public PM: Doood, if you are honing your skills on some new shtuff~, send it my way....!  I am curious as to where you are taking your style since the last trade - and since you found your red-headed inspiration.... 
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I wanna hear. I majored in audio.
Lately I have a thing for gritty political hip hop over emo/indy rock guitar melodies with super dirty/heavy beats.
Hip hop?? Dunno.
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can we really ever know if there are other opportunities available to us? the only opportunities we know we had are the ones that have been manifested. so are we really making one happen over the other...or is there only one way that it must be?
i guess i would like to believe that there are many opportunities....makes me feel better about life. but i still can't let go of the fact that it isn't necessarily truth.
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How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
What can be changed is the example we set. Believing in freedom is what empowers the individual, making him able to see more connections and the multitude of outcomes that one single action can have, now that he’s no longer restrained by fear. What happens with those unable to manifest themselves freely and make their situation better, is that some of them don’t even believe in independence anymore. They become so paralyzed by fear that they keep on losing from personal power more and more. And there are cases in which, by simply acknowledging the fact that freedom and strength are still out there, one could be able to get more out of reality, make better speculations and look for alternative ways in which they can attain their independence. It’s really interesting to realize how everything in one’s world is so strongly influenced by how one thinks and feels about life. When one becomes aware of the symbiotic nature of existence, he automatically becomes more creative and more open to the subtle influential factors, which in extent will make him able to be more skillful in manipulating his circumstances, with the tools he already has at hand.
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How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
What can be changed is the example we set. Believing in freedom is what empowers the individual, making him able to see more connections and the multitude of outcomes that one single action can have, now that he’s no longer restrained by fear. What happens with those unable to manifest themselves freely and make their situation better, is that some of them don’t even believe in independence anymore. They become so paralyzed by fear that they keep on losing from personal power more and more. And there are cases in which, by simply acknowledging the fact that freedom and strength are still out there, one could be able to get more out of reality, make better speculations and look for alternative ways in which they can attain their independence. It’s really interesting to realize how everything in one’s world is so strongly influenced by how one thinks and feels about life. When one becomes aware of the symbiotic nature of existence, he automatically becomes more creative and more open to the subtle influential factors, which in extent will make him able to be more skillful in manipulating his circumstances, with the tools he already has at hand.
If I ever come across a cowed crawdad I'll tell him that with the hope that he will become happy in the world of crawdads.
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Re: Opportunity [Re: Booby]
#7397130 - 09/11/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You go girl!
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How amazing would it be if these opportunities were there for everyone? Is there a path for our species that could make it so, without taking away our own opportunities? What needs to change?
What can be changed is the example we set. Believing in freedom is what empowers the individual, making him able to see more connections and the multitude of outcomes that one single action can have
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MushroomTrip said: You go girl!
Did we just witness a complete 180
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