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styles21
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To Dunk or not to Dunk
#7390925 - 09/10/07 07:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have just birthed some BRF jars and I am trying to decide If I should dunk them or not. Some grow guides say yes, while others just birth and put them in the flowering chamber. Is there any advantages or disadvantages?
Thanks!
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acneman
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: styles21]
#7390934 - 09/10/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Advantages are the extra water which of course mushies are mostly composed of. disadvantages are possible contamination. I believe some people dunk with a hydrogen peroxide solution but simply boiling water, letting it cool (with a lid!) and then dunking overnight in the fridge can be massively beneficial IMHO. There are also nutrient dunks which increase the nutrients available and also the contamination risk. why dont you experiment? say dunk half your jars?
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: acneman]
#7390938 - 09/10/07 07:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely dunk.
I wanted to see the difference, so I did not dunk 3 of 8 cakes... and those three had lesser pins and smaller fruits.
so I dunked them after the first flush, and got a much better yield.
I tried to do the same with rolling but I did not notice a very great difference.
I just use the water from those water filler-upper machines ... for like 25 cents a gallon......... no problems yet.
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: abesh]
#7390952 - 09/10/07 07:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think bottled water is rarely distilled or purified. distilled is best but boiled tap water is just as good. it is somewhat of a safeguard as the mycelium is pretty resistant after full colonisation
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styles21
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: acneman]
#7391123 - 09/10/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys for the info. I think I am going to dunk them then. What about rolling do I need to bother doing this? I have lots of verm on hand.
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: styles21]
#7391128 - 09/10/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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OMG, PLEASE DON'T ASK THIS QUESTION!!! POSSIBLY THE WORST QUESTION IN THE WHOLE FORUM. SEARCH AND YOU'LL FIND THE SAME EXACT TITLE AT LEAST 179 TIMES!!!
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: styles21]
#7391133 - 09/10/07 09:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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DUNK. Its worth it.
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anomaly420
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: KaptKid]
#7391218 - 09/10/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You need to dunk after birthing, roll in vermiculite, and do this for every flush thereafter. Put them in a tupperware-like container with a lid, in the refrigerator. I would do 12 hours after birth, then 18-20 hours for every dunk thereafter. Never exceed 48 hours as it will drown.
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: anomaly420]
#7391266 - 09/10/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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There seems to be some leading here, judging from some of the comments, that using tap water may contaminate your grow. Also seems that people may be leading to the mycelia being contaminated or resistant to it. Please allow me to clarify a few things:
Substrates contaminate, not mycelia.
If the mycelia have control of the substrate, the chance is contamination is extremely small.
You do not need to use anything other than plain old drinking water right out of the tap. I have used just about every kind of water on the market and I have seen absolutely no difference. Keep it simple.
To answer to poster's question, yes, you should dunk those cakes.
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Re: To Dunk or not to Dunk [Re: anomaly420]
#7391274 - 09/10/07 09:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess it depends a bit on how much water you did put into the rice/Vermi/ mix. If one mixes: 3 parts rice flour - 8 parts Vermiculite and - 4 parts of water, one does not have to dunk the cakes. And instead of rollin'... do the Fandango. 

As one can see in the picture: Two similar cakes.... two similar substrate mixtures. And? ..... well, as one can see also, one cake gives a lot of shrooms, and the other does not. So: If people around here claim, that they did experiment with rolling vs. not rolling, it could be that very well known form of plain self-deception. This may be also the case with rolling the cake.
Conclusion: Don't need to roll, don't need to dunk, and don't need to use H202 - and: Perlite is radioactive. Use SERAMIS instead.
Merry greetings from me and also from Chemical Ali (He liked H202 too)
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dunk em and then break 2 up and case em in a small pan with 50%verm 50% peat moss
you will be amazed at the diffrence in fruit yield

I did cakes for about two years (no dunk and only one flush) and never got anything close to a simple casing yield
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