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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: zorbman]
#7392254 - 09/10/07 02:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It means little to me either way if it's him or not as the larger picture just stinks.
It smells foul starting with the fact that Bin Laden was CIA and the Bin Ladens and Bush's are tight friends.
Saddam was CIA too.
What the hell is up with that, former CIA agents becoming Major enemies of the nation, whom we launch wars against?
Then, you have the press telling us they cannot release the full tape, but they can tell us that Bin Laden said anyone who doesn't convert will be killed.
Perfect way to scare Americans who won't convert to islam and get them behind the war on stealing Oil, I mean terror.
How convenient for that threat to hit the media just before General Petreus gives his report to keep the surge in Iraq going until next summer.
Based on what I have read in Middle eastern media, the surge was just a phony ploy to keep us there because, the new government is hesitating to sign an agreement to turn their oil fields over to Western Oil companies.
A report said that the U.S. is telling them that they can keep something like 12% of the oil revenues and Americans will pay for the rebuilding of the nation if they sign it.
Bogus deal for us tax payers as Bush said Iraqi Oil would pay for the war and the damage we caused before it was launched. He's such a liar.
The Iraqis are hesitant to give up their rights to the oil. This is also supposedely why there is talk of our getting in a new and more "co-opertative" government over there.
If most of the suicide bombers are Saudis and Bin laden has been hiding out in Pakistan, why are we invading Iran next?
Who can buy that nuclear weapons excuse when it was Cheney , during his time with Haliburton, who sold them the nuclear technology they have to run their refineries with.
Weather its Osama in that video or not pales in light of the Big picture that appears to be one big LIE and deception after another on America.
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I have to say it is curious that the tape stops in two places for long periods. (I watched the tape a short while ago).
The seated man is clearly Bin Laden but I am wondering if the video is an old one and the only current part of it is the audio. CIA voice analysts confirm it is Osama's voice.
Maybe Osama is more ill than they want to reveal and the audio was dubbed onto an earlier video? I noticed he is sitting fairly far from the camera and the video is too blurry to read his lips and synch them with the audio. (Not that I understand his language but others would.) Was this done deliberately? His beard also somewhat conceals his lips.
Very odd.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7392363 - 09/10/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: I thought the timing was to coincide with the anniversary of 9-ll.
How could you tell he was shorter? Wasn't he sitting down?
His beard was shorter and darker. However, it is not uncommon for elders to cut/dye their beards. Plus, in parts of the muslim community he is looked at as a superhuman almost mythical character, so attempts to look younger do not seem unfeasible.
it's to my understanding, that muslims are forbidden to dye their hair black, and that it is less of an offense (to allah) to shave their hair off, than to dye it.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: BrAiN]
#7392390 - 09/10/07 03:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN said: You guys are all nuts.
Yep. Crazier than a shit-house rat.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: kotik]
#7392420 - 09/10/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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it's to my understanding, that muslims are forbidden to dye their hair black, and that it is less of an offense (to allah) to shave their hair off, than to dye it.
Two leaders immediately come to mind who clearly are no strangers to Grecian formula: Saddam Hussein and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. Mubarak, shown here, is 79 years old.

The Libyan Lunatic, Kkadafi, also clearly dies his hair.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: kotik]
#7392424 - 09/10/07 03:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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JackthaTripper said: I thought the timing was to coincide with the anniversary of 9-ll.
How could you tell he was shorter? Wasn't he sitting down?
His beard was shorter and darker. However, it is not uncommon for elders to cut/dye their beards. Plus, in parts of the muslim community he is looked at as a superhuman almost mythical character, so attempts to look younger do not seem unfeasible.
it's to my understanding, that muslims are forbidden to dye their hair black, and that it is less of an offense (to allah) to shave their hair off, than to dye it.
Not true.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7392474 - 09/10/07 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I heard Osama bin laden is really just a half melted chucky chese robot that they just slapped a beard on and rewired to speak jibberish. I think he was the one that played the banjo.
I know it's real cuz a friend of a friend of a cousin of a friend made a flash video on youtube about it.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: kotik]
#7392511 - 09/10/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea it was timed for 9/11 but about a week ago, SITEinstitute got a hold of the video, a shit ton of islamists websites got bombed and even Siteinstitute was bombed for 2 hours. Many arab leaders die their hair to look more stronger or younger and to show to the mujahadeen that he is still alive and kicking.
In Salafism Islam in his position it would be more disgraceful to not be martyred and to die of natural causes. Osama will be around and the video is indeed real, the audio is real as well, however regarding the image of Osama is of dubious nature, I personally believe he will release another video soon.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7393296 - 09/10/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Bush will declare a state of emergancy and retain the presidency.
I got $1,000 to your $100. Well?
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: zappaisgod]
#7393356 - 09/10/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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We'll have to see. But I'll take you up on that. On the good D****** name
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7394036 - 09/10/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can I get in on some of that action? I'll even go zap one better -- I'll give you $1100 to your $100. Or better yet, $11,000 to your $1,000.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Phred]
#7394073 - 09/10/07 09:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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haha, maybe. I'd rather bet you 100 to if I win you join my revolutionary army
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7395421 - 09/11/07 07:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: Yeah haha, it really wasn't that threatening was it? Oh well, in about a year we'll fall under another terrorist attack and Bush will declare a state of emergancy and retain the presidency.
See the following article: Unfortunately, taking this kind of approach actually seems to stop terrorism. Fujimori basically did this in Peru, a country where 35,000 people died in the 90's from terrorist attacks (a number which makes our problems laughable) and virtually eliminated communist terrorism in 10 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
Maybe Bush is using this guy as a model for his administration.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: BrAiN]
#7395538 - 09/11/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN said:
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Gastronomicus said: Yeah haha, it really wasn't that threatening was it? Oh well, in about a year we'll fall under another terrorist attack and Bush will declare a state of emergancy and retain the presidency.
See the following article: Unfortunately, taking this kind of approach actually seems to stop terrorism. Fujimori basically did this in Peru, a country where 35,000 people died in the 90's from terrorist attacks (a number which makes our problems laughable) and virtually eliminated communist terrorism in 10 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
Maybe Bush is using this guy as a model for his administration.
Yeah, but it only works to stop terrorism in you own country. Is he also trying to be like saddam? He also had very few terrorist activities because he was a totalitarian ruler as well. The US can't be out policing the world, that is exactly the cause of the current terrorist hatred towards the US.
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How convenient for that threat to hit the media just before General Petreus gives his report to keep the surge in Iraq going until next summer.
Although I agree with everything you said, that was not Petreus' report. That report was written for him by members of the bush administration. The military works as a hierarchy and the orders come from the top down and as Bush is unfortunately Commander in Chief, that poor general is nothing more than Bush's scapegoat.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JesusChrist]
#7395544 - 09/11/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't read all the comments, but my way of thinking is this: Whether or not he's real in those videos isn't really important.
The fact is we know there are radical islamists that want to hurt Americans and other folks. Whether our proposed remedies are worth the cost to our freedoms, and whether they are effective, is the argument.
As you were far more likely to die of a flu in 2001 in America, than to have died in the wtc, I think our priorities are a little askew. We'll pay for all these paramillitary groups to invade our privacy and conduct dubious exercises, but you can't get a flu shot if you can't come up with the cash. I'm not saying you deserve a flu shot, but then again, I don't think you should have your money taken from you to address a threat that is largely psychological. \ The threat to the economy from terrorism is real, but that doesn't mean its a blank check for the police and military. I've never been assaulted or harrased by a terrorist, but I have had these experiences with the police. The later is a far greater threat to myself, then, than the former- imo.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: trippindad82]
#7395551 - 09/11/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN said:
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Gastronomicus said: Yeah haha, it really wasn't that threatening was it? Oh well, in about a year we'll fall under another terrorist attack and Bush will declare a state of emergancy and retain the presidency.
See the following article: Unfortunately, taking this kind of approach actually seems to stop terrorism. Fujimori basically did this in Peru, a country where 35,000 people died in the 90's from terrorist attacks (a number which makes our problems laughable) and virtually eliminated communist terrorism in 10 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Fujimori
Maybe Bush is using this guy as a model for his administration.
Yeah, but it only works to stop terrorism in you own country. Is he also trying to be like saddam? He also had very few terrorist activities because he was a totalitarian ruler as well. The US can't be out policing the world, that is exactly the cause of the current terrorist hatred towards the US.
No doubt. Yea there was a difference. I guess you can't compare INTERNALLY GROWN COMMIES to internal ppl who were planted.
Fujimori's reign was still an interesting study in facism... something very recent and very nearby.
The saga is still going on right now. Interpol goofed and he ended up in Chile under the rader. He's caught him in Chile right now... and Chile and Peru hate each other so shit's goin downnnn :P
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JesusChrist]
#7419684 - 09/17/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In these days where anyone can buy a killer video-editing program for a few hundred bucks, seeing is NOT believing. Here's a hilarious youtube video (sorry, I don't know how to embed it) showing just how easy it really is. Notice how this video is even more detailed than the one released -- it's in much tighter closeup so it's easier to detect any trickery, and the breaks in the video feed are fewer and of much shorter duration than in the released "bin Laden" video. Yet it's still pretty damned convincing if you ignore the obvious implausibility of bin Laden speaking such flawless English.
Check it out -- it's well worth the two minutes it will take to watch it.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27077_On_the_Coattails_of_a_Dead_Man&only
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Phred]
#7419929 - 09/17/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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At the same time, if you apply science rather than instinct to the analysis, is or is not becomes very conclusive. Ratio of spacing between various points on the face cannot be easily faked. Certainly, a government with unlimited budget could get close, but when put under the microscope, it would still be a fairly obvious fake. Voice prints are another thing, that as far as I know, cannot yet be faked and are as unique as a fingerprint, even when the person tries to disguise their voice.
The lab part of my DSP class (graduate level EE) was dedicated to picture analysis (fake UFO pictures to be specific). It is amazing the details that you can bring out in a picture with a little bit of filtering or transforming data from one domain into another. Hidden wires shine as bright as sunlight in a mirror, aliasing effects stand out like glitter on black cloth, etc.
I'm not making a claim one way or another towards the released video(s), only saying that in my experience it is very easy to detect fakes produced by armatures.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Seuss]
#7423339 - 09/18/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That video WAS funny Phred!
Seuss, I don't think that anyone is debating the ability for experts to be able to authenticate a video tape.
I think the problem for many is the ability to trust the source that says it is authentic, especially considering the timing of its release the day before the Peterus report, meant to garner more support for staying the course in Iraq.
Anyone catch that news clip about his superior Admiral Fallon calling him an " ass kissing little chicken shit" for it?
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235
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