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Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake?
#7390517 - 09/10/07 01:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I searched the PAL for a thread on the recent Osama Bin Laden video. I didn't find one. I found that to be odd. I used to hang out here quite a bit and I am coming back a bit more as time allows. I remember this as a good place with diverse opinions.
Perhaps my alcohol problem hurts my searching ability and a thread exists. I suspect you guys have talked about this. If not, that in itself is interesting. I suspect you will point me to the proper thread and prove me to be an idiot. I am in many ways. That should not deter my other points.
I am somewhat of a conspiracy theorist. I think that Osama Bin Laden is dead, and that this video is not of him. I don't even buy his last video in 2004. I think he died in Tora Bora. I can't prove any of this, but I believe it.
"Experts" confirm that this is Osama. I wonder who those experts are. Could George Lucas or Steven Spielberg make a better and more believable Osama with or without a fake beard? I bet.
The Osama in the video looks like the old Osama, but he also looks different. The video is blurry, unlike other clear videos of Osama and other terrorist videos.
Check this out:Latest Bin Laden Video Is a Forgery: All References to Current Events Are Made During Video Freeze
"Osama Bin Laden's widely publicized video address to the American people has a peculiarity that casts serious doubt on its authenticity: the video freezes at about 1 minute and 58 seconds, and motion only resumes again at 12:30. The video then freezes again at 14:02 remains frozen until the end. All references to current events, such as the 62nd anniversary of the U.S. atomic bombing of Japan, and Sarkozy and Brown being the leaders of France and the UK, respectively, occur when the video is frozen! The words spoken when the video is in motion contain no references to contemporary events and could have been (and likely were) made before the U.S. invasion of Iraq."
We seem to take this stuff in stride when they tell us it is real. Even when the camera is blurry. Osama used to have a good camera, what happened to that one? Even when his beard is obviously fake and his features have changed we still gulp it up. Even when the video has been digitally manipulated and freezes while he continues talking.
That video would be thrown out of court and disallowed as evidence in the State of Ohio. I don't know about your state, but it wouldn't be allowed in mine. But we aren't talking a court of law, but the court of public opinion. Both sides have reason to support Osama being alive.
I think it is all a sham. When I search the web for people that believe the video is fake, I don't want to join that club. My friends openly mock me for my conspiracy theories.
I don't care to posit a theory on who and why made that tape. I just want to say that I don't believe it. If people could put their best arguments to why the tape is either true or false and leave links I would like this thread to be a clearinghouse on this issue.
If I am wrong I am wrong, but I don't believe it and I am not buying it. I would like to see some discussion on this.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JesusChrist]
#7390559 - 09/10/07 01:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't buy it either. I swear Bin Laden is a tool of the Bush administration to prolong their power. It's sickening, and this is just some worthless shit too. If you're gonna fake a video do it moderately well
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JesusChrist]
#7390572 - 09/10/07 02:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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their all fakes if you ask me...any fool with a cellphone can make a video...and this one is nothing short of tacky ..a video of an OBL actor parroting the liberal blogs appears immediately before congress convenes to debate iraq...do the math...
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Annapurna1]
#7391107 - 09/10/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think they are all fakes. I am not really scared by them either. It was like Mos Def said the other night on Bill Maher, who is scared of someone who sends "threatening" videos? If these people really hated us, then car bombs would not just be going off in Iraq, they would be going off here in the US. If these people really hated the Americans as a whole, then wouldn't Americans and not Iraqis be attacked on a daily basis? Instead, if the attacks happened the way our govt claims, they attacked the symbols of American imperialism, the WTC towers and the pentagon. That is if the "official" story holds any truth.
But like I said, people who are of real threat don't walk around sending videos with empty statements, they DO SOMETHING.
Don't get me wrong, I am grateful that we aren't getting attacked on a daily basis. And no I don't have any reason to thank our bullshit "intelligence" services. It reminds me so much of the failed red scare and the Salem witch trials, and the Inquisition. So much hype and scare to keep the population subdued and thinking alike. The commies are coming!!! Now it's the terrorists are coming!!! Really??? From where?
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7391782 - 09/10/07 12:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Gastronomicus said: I didn't buy it either. I swear Bin Laden is a tool of the Bush administration to prolong their power. It's sickening, and this is just some worthless shit too. If you're gonna fake a video do it moderately well
hes not just a tool of the bush administration.. hes an invention of the bush administration...the timinig of these videoes is very obvious in and of itself...and in the latest example..king george has resorted to having the actor talk like an american liberal rather than a terror chief...
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: trippindad82]
#7391786 - 09/10/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Laden must've gotten a awesome personal trainer, plastic surgeon, and sawed his legs off at the ankle because this version seriously looked about sixty or seventy pounds lighter and a couple inches shorter than the previous ones and his nose and facial structure seemed completely different. Big Brother needs an enemy or else the system doesn't work.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Annapurna1]
#7391790 - 09/10/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah haha, it really wasn't that threatening was it? Oh well, in about a year we'll fall under another terrorist attack and Bush will declare a state of emergancy and retain the presidency.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Annapurna1]
#7391824 - 09/10/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said:
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Gastronomicus said: I didn't buy it either. I swear Bin Laden is a tool of the Bush administration to prolong their power. It's sickening, and this is just some worthless shit too. If you're gonna fake a video do it moderately well
hes not just a tool of the bush administration.. hes an invention of the bush administration...the timing of these videos is very obvious in and of itself...and in the latest example..king george has resorted to having the actor talk like an American liberal rather than a terror chief...
I don't buy into their authenticity either. Does Bin laden get Grecian formula and tasty cakes sent to him in the caves of Torah bora now?
Referring to your timing set up comment, another Bin Laden tape is suppose to be released later today after the General Betrayus report. This is all going down like a bad Hollywood B movie script with a predicable plot from the opening scene.
In other news.........
The guy whose idea the surge was basically said, "Give us more money because we are doing stuff with the money you gave us."
What else did we expect the General to say?
Shouldn't a third party be judging how well it worked and how well bench marks were met and be giving us the report?
Anyway, Ron Paul is going head to head with O'Reilly tonight about it on Fox's O'Rielly factor. Should be good! Take your blood pressure medication first.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7391848 - 09/10/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I thought the timing was to coincide with the anniversary of 9-ll.
How could you tell he was shorter? Wasn't he sitting down?
His beard was shorter and darker. However, it is not uncommon for elders to cut/dye their beards. Plus, in parts of the muslim community he is looked at as a superhuman almost mythical character, so attempts to look younger do not seem unfeasible.
It could be a fake... but don't you think entities independent of the US Government would verify the authenticity of it? (voice recognition, face analyzing software,...)
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Edited by JackthaTripper (09/10/07 12:55 PM)
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"We have confirmed the authenticity of the Bin Laden tapes."
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It could really be Bin Laden. He could be directly in the employ of the Bush administration. Then for brownie points whenever things look their worst they could produce Bin Laden and go "hey! we captured him! we win the war on terror!"
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7391944 - 09/10/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And then he'll just let us kill him?
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JackthaTripper]
#7391974 - 09/10/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Faked execution
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7391998 - 09/10/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Speaking of faked political executions. Wasn't the cell phone video of Saddam's execution hilariously bad?
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According to my sources Osama is now openly living in the U.S. disguised as NBA star, Scottie Pippen. He has shaved his beard and appears well rested.


The real Scottie Pippen dissapeared shortly after the 98-99 season and is now living in Pakistan.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: StrandedVoyager]
#7392144 - 09/10/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah seriously. Didn't even point at him half the time
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: JesusChrist]
#7392213 - 09/10/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its real, the video is real.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: Annapurna1]
#7392215 - 09/10/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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king george has resorted to having the actor talk like an american liberal rather than a terror chief...
It appears that the American traitor, Adam Gadahn wrote the speech.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gadahn
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: zorbman]
#7392233 - 09/10/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys are all nuts.
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Re: Is that really Osama Bin Laden or a fake? [Re: zorbman]
#7392251 - 09/10/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Every video released by As Sahab media is directed towards a intended audience, such as their release the Winds of Martyrdom was targetted towards those in Pakistan and was even subtitled with Urdu a common language in Pakistan.
I noticed the writing style was different in this speech and that it was strictly targetted towards an American audience, so its no doubt it was written by Adam Gadahn.
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