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OfflineLion
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The urge to tell
    #7389607 - 09/09/07 08:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Terence McKenna described this beautifully. At La Chorrera, during a mushroom trip, he was walking through the forest and came upon a large group of butterflies. The butterflies began to fly over and alight on him, at which point, to paraphrase him, he experienced delight, reverence, gratitude... and then the urge to tell someone.

He walked back to the people his was with with an ear-to-ear smile and told them all in a dreamy voice to follow him back to the spot where he had communed with the butterflies. But when they got there, the butterflies ignored him and his companions and went about their business, which greatly frustrated him.

My friend was telling me on an acid trip about how he met a quirky old hippy couple at a music festival and at some point while he was talking to them he realized he was only enjoying himself because he was thinking about how he would be able to describe the experience to his friends later.

Sometimes I think life for the majority of people is just a sequence of events to be described later. Not that sharing funny stories and speaking in general can't enhance the present moment and teach valuable lessons. Stories can make people laugh, make people re-evaluate the way they treat others, and so forth. Many stories, though, are related in order to enhance self-importance on some level. If you have an engaging story to tell, you become a focal point for the consciousness of others, and don't have to observe the feeling of awkwardness that comes easily with having nothing to say.

A part of my mind came to the fore of my consciousness recently while tripping: the part of my brain that is always, at all times, trying to explain my experiences to posters on The Shroomery. While I am experiencing my life, I am wrapping and freezing it in language to be taken out and thawed later, and in doing so sapping the real energy of the present moment. I am even doing it right now, taking consciousness away from my inner being in order to convey this message to you. I hope that it will be useful.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


Edited by Lion (09/09/07 08:49 PM)


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Lion]
    #7389716 - 09/09/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Have you made this post before? I'm not teasing you, I just have this feeling or sense that I've read this exact same post before, maybe not by you. It's been happening with a few of your posts actually.. and I wouldn't say anything but it's fucking weird that it's been like that for the last three topics you've started.


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7389727 - 09/09/07 08:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah bro I'm recycling old material. It's like a late Sunday night standup set, the crowd is small and I just want to go home and get some sleep.

I think I expressed very similar sentiments in a recent trip report, I'd wager you read that. Hope I don't sound like a broken record.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Lion]
    #7389776 - 09/09/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's an interesting post though.


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Lion]
    #7389781 - 09/09/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:  i like your style bug
as unconscious architects of these dream worlds,  we delight in showing off our creations, and we're all entertained to some degree by eachother's creations.
sometimes the true light seeps in around the edges, terrifying or intriguing, always disrupting our dreams.
when we are inspired to put down the square and compass and turn our attention towards the ever flowing stream ... these moments are like an awakening.  the butterflies know.


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Clean]
    #7390066 - 09/09/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I know what you mean bug, couldn't have said it better msyelf. I do it all the time and I'm not very conscious of the fact while doing it. I have this thing about going into the mountains by myself and blowing myself apart tripping. As soon as I come down I feel like I need to write a book about what I experienced and I start thinking about what I'll tell people.


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Clean]
    #7390069 - 09/09/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think the urge to tell basically breaks down to validation. Not in all cases, but in a large majority.


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Loving in truth, and fain in verse my love to show, That the dear She might take some pleasure of my pain: Pleasure might cause her read, reading might make her know, Knowledge might pity win, and pity grace obtain.


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7390676 - 09/10/07 02:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

^agreed.

"The same as if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, you realize, if no one had been there to witness the agony of Christ, would we be saved?" - Survivor, Chuck Palahniuk


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: naysayer]
    #7390989 - 09/10/07 07:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Saved from what, spurious conceptions of a Christ saving us through his suffering? :what: :lol:

Better question: If the Romans did not utilize the religion to maintain power over an increasing empire in ways that military force could not, would we have Christianity today? :strokebeard:


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: Lion]
    #7391624 - 09/10/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That's why I sometimes refuse to take photographs in my holidays !
(I missed the real experience by making up positions, motives and such.)
Really.

Recently I have found a better way to combine the actual experience with the regards to future.
Just living the presence and forget about the camera while still making photos. These pictures are the best ones.
One just has to better remember (photograph) ones best times of real lived actual presence without the stance which comes automatically from the future.





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Re: The urge to tell [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7394253 - 09/10/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"Better question: If the Romans did not utilize the religion to maintain power over an increasing empire in ways that military force could not, would we have Christianity today? :strokebeard:"

Of course.
Don't you know that Christinsanity was spread by the power of the holy spirit??
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Re: The urge to tell [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7394572 - 09/10/07 11:59 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ahh yes, the power of the holy spirit...... the sword.... excellent. :hehehe:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: The urge to tell [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7394628 - 09/11/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)



WTF??


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