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OfflineViveka
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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: cloudtripper]
    #7403594 - 09/13/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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    The whole implication of the language is that you are now subject to a certain condition that will influence and limit your potential from now on.



How so? The definition of a victim does not include anything about limited potential. You are the one that created that arbitrary connotation. A victim is a simple descriptive term - it is the opposite of a culprit. Being a victim does not prescribe or impose any sort of particular behavior.





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    And how does one determine if they are a victim or not? What is the standard by which one judges whether or not one is a victim?



If someone is raped, clearly they are a victim of someone elses actions. Clearly they are a victim.





So a victim is only someone who has been on the receiving end of a crime?  How about a person who is born with a disadvantage, say a neurological disease?  Is this person a victim?  Or do they not count because their suffering isn't enacted on them by a tangibly external force?  If yes, please make a point about why regarding oneself as a victim is useful or healthy, other than "realizing that what happened to them wasn't their fault".

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    The %u201Chandicapped%u201D shouldn%u2019t be expected to do things %u201Cnon-handicapped%u201D people can do.:awesome:



Well, duh. That is why they get special parking places.



That's why I put "handicapped" in quotes.  Doesn't everyone have strengths in certain areas and weaknesses in others?  There are people who choose to go on disability and not work, while another person in pretty much the same situation may choose not to go that route, and continue earning their own wage.  Is the person who chooses the disability route the victim while the other guy isn't, or are they both victims and the second guy just isn't taking full advantage of his victimhood? 

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    The smoker shouldn't be expected to be able to control his habit, after all, he's a smoker, that's what he does.



Huh?





Another way to look at it is what if you had had recently taken up cigarettes and had been smoking for a month or so.  If you were somehow surveyed on the matter, would you check the box next to smoker?  That would imply that your future was determined. So just as it is important to cast off labels and external definition, so that you encounter the least resistance in undertaking new endeavors, it's most prudent to avoid routines, behaviors, and emotional indulgences that beckon those labels.


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: Viveka]
    #7406379 - 09/13/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea dudette works i guess haha


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7406420 - 09/13/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Correction: dudette




No, its dude. :shrug:


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7406445 - 09/13/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)



:hehehe:


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7406771 - 09/13/07 10:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

You're scaring me. :shiftyeyes: You know something I don't?


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7408095 - 09/14/07 08:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, that the word "dude" in the world of stoners is a neutral term that does not imply gender. When considering that we are speaking of stoners, it is perhaps this way due to the fact that "dude" is one syllable, whereas saying "dudette" is rather inelegant. :smirk:


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7408115 - 09/14/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

One of these days I'm gonna eat you alive... :cannibal:
Call it stoner munchies if you like :smirk:
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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7408284 - 09/14/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"dudette" is rather inelegant.

So fucking true.


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: Icelander]
    #7408571 - 09/14/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

But not as bad as Icelanderella...


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Re: One of the biggest fallacies which many of us believe [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7408576 - 09/14/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Also true.


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