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anthony034
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simple LC worth it.
#7389043 - 09/09/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i came across the simple LC teks on here, and i was just wondering if it was worth my time to try and start an LC with nothing but colonized rye berries, quart jarts, surgical tape, glass shards, and distilled water.
i was going to get casing down to a science before attempting an LC. but i have an over-abundance of grain to work with so....
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7389051 - 09/09/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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YES! My very first grow i made an lc out of first. its a small time investment but it makes everything easier and faster in the end. btw, either boil grains in 1/2 pints (personally never have had a jar contam) or step up to a pressure cooker for the quart jars you said you have. don't boil those. waste of time.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Xeluc]
#7389060 - 09/09/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Xeluc said: YES! My very first grow i made an lc out of first. its a small time investment but it makes everything easier and faster in the end. btw, either boil grains in 1/2 pints (personally never have had a jar contam) or step up to a pressure cooker for the quart jars you said you have. don't boil those. waste of time.
i have a PC, and i have a 100% success ratio on all my cakes as of late.(why i decided to move to casings.)
i know how beneficial LC is. i just wanna know if its worth it to try the easy tek using only distilled sterile water for a substrate, or just wait until i can work with agar, or at least dextrose?
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7389066 - 09/09/07 05:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh... no man, a lc in straight tap water wont do anything. go to your store and get karo or honey. 2-3 dollars. 4% by volume to water, whichever you use. oh, and i never bothered with cakes.i say its great your going to casings
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Xeluc]
#7389466 - 09/09/07 07:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Xeluc said: oh... no man, a lc in straight tap water wont do anything. go to your store and get karo or honey. 2-3 dollars. 4% by volume to water, whichever you use. oh, and i never bothered with cakes.i say its great your going to casings
is this tek a joke then? http://www.shroomery.org/65/Uncle-Lazlos-EZ-Mycelium-Syringe-Tek
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7389614 - 09/09/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah your going to have to place like the other guy said some kind of nutes to the water it doesnt have to been karo alot of people have used other things too
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7389666 - 09/09/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's a pretty interesting TEK. I'd call it a little on the risky side for a couple reasons.
First it sounds a little bit contamination prone though I've read several people report that this method works well for them. It's basically a form of jar to jar technique. The difference here being it doesn't sound like you are supposed to try and keep this stuff around for very long. Especially since you aren't providing them any more nutrition than what was in the sliver of cake from which they came. It would definitely be worth trying IF the cake came from a know reproductive clone. That brings me to point number two.
If you are taking mycelium from a jar made from a multispore syringe you may be growing some lazy mycelium. Not every spore leads to sexual hyphae. Sometimes you just have an asexual biological eating machine. Sort of like some women after you marry them. Everything looks great to start with then after a while you realize nothings going to happen. Now what you thought was going to be a productive relationship has turned out to be a parasitic one where in you feed, house, and care for the other organism and get nothing in return other than the opportunity to watch them grow old, ugly, and hopefully die soon. Where in the latter case you can collect the life insurance In the former case you wasted time energy and substrate. To back petal for a second if you are working from a "known to fruit" clone in the BRF cake I'd say you've got a good chance of making some sweet syringes on the fly this way if you don't contaminate the jar in some way.
Since you are having such great success with your cakes, why not clone some of your best fruits? You can do this without agar. **see below** Many folks have reported decent cloning success by simply taking samples from fresh specimens and putting them in a traditional nutrient rich liquid culture like the above examples of sterilized 4% honey or Karo solution.
**Liquid cultures are a risk just about any time and any way you do them. You never know what's in the jar until you grow it out on a medium/substrate that lets the organisms in the solution mature to a recognizable point. Agar being one of the most convenient since you can just throw away the petri if it's bad and it doesn't cost much. You can always make test jars of WBS and see how they turn out. That'll tell you if your syringe is any good. I like agar because you use less solution to test if your syringe is crap or not and because if you have contaminated test medium then it's cheaper to throw out the plastic petri than a jar. Also it seems to take less time to grow out on agar than in a BRF jar. That's just in my experience others may think differently. Bacteria shows up on the plate in no time and other molds like trich usually are recognizable within six days or less.
Keep in mind I've only been doing this for about eight months now so take what I've said with that in mind. So there may be flaws in my thought process above but they come from my perception of the series of LCs I've done so far.
Finally no I don't think the above link is a joke. Though this part I don't know about.Quote:
I place the lid loosely on the jar (rubber seal in place) and heat it at 400F for an hour.
Overall it is an interesting idea for a fast syringe creation. A very noteworthy idea. That said I don't think I'd use it. I see my future LCs moving away from the multispore variety and moving toward being clones of my fastest fruiters.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: chucklehead]
#7389768 - 09/09/07 09:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow, thank you for elaborating way more than i initially expected anyone to.
with that said i will test this method, just because it's very very simple.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7390149 - 09/09/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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well i love this tek you might like it to
here :Clone LC
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: eVenom]
#7390181 - 09/09/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is all you need for doing an lc. im making one right now but skipping the step of using a syringe and just dropping spores directlly into the liquid ( this is done in a glove box though)
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7320513/an/0/page/0
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7390944 - 09/10/07 07:23 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes! you can do that is really easy and works like a charm!!
and yes it should be done in a glove box but i had great success in a small room with very still air and some air sanitizer!
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: eVenom]
#7391055 - 09/10/07 08:27 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I use Ottos LC tek here,
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5238137/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
Very easy no PC needed and I have never had a contam from it yet, even after using the same LC over and over.
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Why not just use apple juice or some kinda real bottled fruit juice. You don't need to PC it or anything. Just take a bottle of it sand a a spot on the plastic and then apply silicone to the spot sanded so it sticks. Then once its dry just push through with the needle and knock up with a few cc's of spores or LC. I saw a post from RR a few weeks ago talking about this and was dumbfounded by the fact that we go through all this trouble to mix water and karo then PC it and so on. when really all you need is a damn bottle of Apple Juice. I mean think about it. If you leave a cup of that sitting out for a day or two it grows mold. So why cant it grow mycelium. I'm trying this out myself right now and it seems to be working.
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yea i knocked up a bottle of applejuice last night. in a couple days ill post some pics. if it works its a damn easy way to get a 1/2 gal of lc fast.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7391598 - 09/10/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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When you did your bottle did you keep its sealed and puncture the bottle through silicone or did you open it to break the vacuum seal and then inject through the top in a glove box? I know LC doesn't really need that much air and can stay in a seal container but i wasn't sure since a vacuum sealed bottle is to the extreme with that.
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what i did is i just made a sweet glovebox yesterday so ive been using it all day. i put the bottle in the glovebox took the cap off and dumped out about 1/5 of the juice into a sepreate container. then i flame sterelized a nail and made to holes in the lid and covered them both with silocone. before i put the lid back on the juice (still in the glove box) i dropped my spores in and a sterile piece of broken glass. put the lid back on. as you know one of the holes will be used as a self healing exstraction point the other hole iam going to put a filter syringe in.
i just gave it a good shake and i already have stringy mycelium allover this thing already...
Edited by blood4blood (09/10/07 12:05 PM)
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7391694 - 09/10/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Blutjager]
#7391712 - 09/10/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol you let me down jager. I saw you posted in here and got a little excited since you normally have valuable input to contribute to the forum. Instead i see a bearded smiley face thats seems to be thinking to hard. lol
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yea what does a bearded smiley face mean?
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7391914 - 09/10/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It means hes with holding information. Doom on you.
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well wtf!
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7392018 - 09/10/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And BTW blood, ill have to give that way a try. I never opened my bottle. Like i said i just made the self sealing injection port on the side around the top and injected from there. But if you did that yesterday it seems your way is a good bit quicker. It took about 3 days before i noticed any growth. So i guess a little air in there is a good thing. Done in a glove box of course. Thanks for the info
Oh and did you use LC or spores to knock up your bottle. And how much did you use. I was using the smaller 16oz (i think) minute made bottles of apple juice and added about 2-3 cc's of spore water.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7392046 - 09/10/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh nvm i just re-read your post and saw you dropped in spores, so im guessing you had a print.
Edited by Digital Reality (09/10/07 01:51 PM)
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yea i used about half of a print (just cause it was all messy in the foil) and i wanted to get rid of it. dont know if its overkill or not yet. but its looking good so far
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7392091 - 09/10/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have it laying around with extra for later i don't see how you can use to much. kinda the same thing with spawning to poo or what have you. It just speeds up the process. I wish i had that luxury. lol
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No,I was using the bearded smiley cause now I'm thinking that I want to try this,I don't have any feedback thats useful cause Ive never seen this done before....I mean apple juice....could it get any easier,its almost too good to be true
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Blutjager]
#7392397 - 09/10/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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ill get some pics posted in the next couple of days... im in the process of doing your updated babybottle tek too. yea i couldnt belive that there are strings of myc floating in it already... i got to work 12 hrs tonight hopefully when i come home in the morn ill have a pleasant surprise waiting for me..
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Blutjager]
#7392404 - 09/10/07 03:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Digital Reality said: I saw a post from RR a few weeks ago talking about this and was dumbfounded by the fact that we go through all this trouble to mix water and karo then PC it and so on. when really all you need is a damn bottle of Apple Juice.
well I read a post by RR that said that doing liquid culture by trowing karo, honey and all sorts was basically dumb so I doubt that he will make such post! Here it is!
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: eVenom]
#7395687 - 09/11/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ dude. Is that all you do is look through post trying to find something you think you can prove wrong to try and look smart. I never stated what he said in his post. I never said thats how he makes his liquid culture or tried to state his views on using apple juice as a medium for liquid culture. I just said he was talking about the subject or commented on it i guess. What he actually said was that bottled juice has been used for years by people as a liquid culture and it required no sterilization. Basically throwing it out there that using apple juice will work. Heres the link since clearly you cant post anything these days without a reference to your information.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7354771#7354771
Its kinda sad because im sure it discourages a lot of people from posting because they don't want to have to deal with ass holes like you trying to flame someone because they maybe said something wrong or whatever the circumstance may be.
But the rest of my post was what i decided to do and found to work. So unless you have something usefully to say please Shut the fuck up, or go harass someone else.
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that bearded smiley must mean, "hmmmm, interesting..."
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7398700 - 09/11/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn you blood and the ideas you put in my head. Tonight i tried to knock up 2 more bottles of apple juice the way you were saying so i could see the difference between way i did it and your way in terms of speed of growth. Well i hadn't used my glove box in a while so i wiped it out with alcohol really good and then lysoled it with everything it it but never let the standing alcohol dry. Then i took a shot glass inside the glove box turned upside down with a little alcohol in it for a flame so i can flame the needle to puncture the top. That goes smoothly. I empty out about a cup or so of juice and i guess in the process spill alcohol in the box around the shot glass. This time I have the syringe and go to flame it's needle and as soon as i light the lighter the entire shot glass catches on fire and then the entire fucking inside of the box just burst in flames. I start freaking out because my arms are also now on fire. I spill everything inside the box trying to get my arms out because the holes i cut are a tight fit. So After its all said and done I have burns all over my arms, no hair until about half way up my forearms and completely ruined that bottle of juice. Lol
Luckily i had 2 extra so i washed everything out with water this time and tried again with just lysol. This time everything worked out a little better. But god damn, i can only imagine what that would have looked like if someone caught that on camera. lol. Not one of my better moments i guess
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holy shit dude! thats insane. didnt you read that thread "glovebox+alchol+flame=badnews" haha....
i flame the needles right in front of my glovebox holes then put it in the box quick and wipe it with a alchol pad. i did the same with the lid to the juice. put the juice in the glovebox then i took off the lid dumped some juice out (still in the box) took the lid out and heated a nail and made my 2 holes right in front of the holes of the box put the lid back in and wiped it with alchol and put back on the bottle and siloconed the holes. just tryin g to be as sterile as possible w/o mixing flames and alchol together in the box...
-oh i gave ot a little shake this morn after work and it is looking really good...
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7399661 - 09/12/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol nope i must have missed that thread. I guess i just decided sterility was more important than what common sense told me. But i think next time ill just keep everything in the box expect the flame and just heat the extra needle i was using, then once thats red hot quick stick it through the hole in the box and puncture the top. It really works easier than i though. It pushed through like a hot knife through butter. After than just squirt the juice out of the hole in a cup i had already put in the box. Then add the spores and seal it up. That way there is no need to ever open the box. But it seems your way worked out with no contams so im sure im just paranoid and go over kill with that stuff. lol oh well.
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i might of got lucky too, i dont know any other way of going about it though.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7400522 - 09/12/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol you can take your chances and stick it all in the box like me. Knock up your bottles and pray that you escape the box with all your arm hair.
Oh and what ever happend to your picks? I thought you were going to post some up?
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heres a pic, i just shook it a little so you really cant see the strings anymore and my camera is really shitty too. but you can def see how much cloudier the one on the right is compared to the left... hopefully i can get a better pic soon im going in to get a new camera today. any ideas???
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7400824 - 09/12/07 02:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno bro. i cant find the post but i thought i remember seeing a post saying that cloudy normally mean contamination. I found a pic of good LC but i doubt there's is shook up. I also found another link where someone did LC and it did just what you described. It took off in like a day but it turned out to be Green mold. So best of luck to you with that but i would maybe only knock up a few jars at first to test it out. That way you don't just have a bunch of contaminated shit if that is the case.
Good LC Pics http://www.shroomery.org/forums/files/05-05/763369033-LC_3A.jpg
Link to contaminated LC http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4146863#4146863
One last link to someone trying to contaminate LC to see what it actually looks like, and how to spot it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4331322#4331322
Keep us updated. Id like to see how well this works out. The ones i knocked up the other day are SLOW as hell. And after setting my box on fire and spilling shit everywhere it wouldn't surprise me if they are contaminated.
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seriously??? oh well ill giv it another shot if it is. i got some brf cakes pc'in right now that i will test that lc on...
i wish someone with some more expierence would chime in and let me know if this is contaminated or not...
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: blood4blood]
#7401303 - 09/12/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone really is going to be able to tell you if its contaminated. I think thats one of the reasons RR doesn't like using LC. If you look at that post that the one guy tried to use to prove what i said wrong, the explanation he gives seems to give me the impression that LC isn't something you can really tell if its contaminated or not. So id say the only real way would be to test it out. But RR does make some pretty good points in his post.
"You might want to read more than the last paragraph. I described a method to generate ten times as much LC in a shorter period of time without contamination. I'm not against liquid culture. I use it all the time. I'm simply dead against the idea of squirting a syringe into a bottle of karo/water. I insist on having at least some verification my LC is good before I inject a bunch of jars."
The link has some good info in it if you haven't already read it.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6344136#Post6344136
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unless im using a super easy method, that takes no time. and is less risky than a multi spore... LC is pointless to me.
isn't it really only a matter of the germination period? which is what...about 4 days (for me) usually.
seems like alot of crap to go through for 4 days...
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7405382 - 09/13/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes you save those four days but you also have acceleration of colonization. On WBS what takes almost a month with multispore takes 8 or 9 days with LC. That helps a lot to combat contamination because your mycelium basically won the race for consolidating a hold on the food and moisture source and so strangles out the competition. Add to that the fact that you can easily turn 1 syringe worth of inoculating power into 50 when you take in to consideration average losses due to contamination. Yes it's more work and time and materials if you do it right. But not much more. And for me it's work worth doing. I can't tell you how thrilled I am when I see 7 quarts of WBS fully colonized in 9 days or less. So I guess the answer is a matter of opinion. I'm glad to do it. I suppose one should also consider their mycological goals. Are you trying to grow lots of mushrooms or just trying to get lots of growing experience under your belt? Or are you just wanting to try lots of different stuff. Are you trying to keep your grow small and un-noticed? I wanted to get good... or reasonably ok at this hobby quickly so I needed to get lots of experience and experiments under my belt. So LC was a help in achieving that goal.
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7405890 - 09/13/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bigger factor with LC, cloning or agar is not that its faster, because yes that is a good thing. But when you use Multispore inoculation you are basically rolling the dice. Sometimes the shrooms you get are great and some times they suck. And thats everything from speed of growth to size and potency. See the thing about a multi spore grow is yes you are shooting up jars with the same strain of mushroom but they are not all the same. Its like saying every white person is just as smart as the next white person just because they are both white. Which clearly is not the case. Some spores with germinate eat your substrate and take up valuable nute but then never produce a fuit while others will work there ass off to create the monsters we see on the forums. So what your doing by cloning with agar or LC from your best fruits you've grow is isolating the better characteristics of you mushroom. Not to say its going to work out great every time but you sure as hell have a better chance of picking out the elite characteristics of your crop so the next time you knock up your jars with that LC or a slice of agar they should be off to a much better start.
Now granted what we have been talking about with this apple juice has been based off spores that we have knocked the juice up with so this doesnt apply. But once i get some nice crop that is the direction i plan to go. This is something i wish i understood last time around when my cakes turned out great.
I'm still a noob with growing but from the reading ive done this is what ive got from it. So if anything in here is incorrect someone please feel free to chime in and correct me.
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eVenom
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you are WRONG Digital Realty!!!
well no not really I'm just teasing you!
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Blutjager
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: eVenom]
#7407592 - 09/14/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have to check this out,bought 2 bottles of apple juice tonight
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anthony034
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Blutjager]
#7410240 - 09/14/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i tried the plain water tek, and shot up a few pf jars 2 days ago. no growth, im waiting one more day before i dispose of.
with this tek being mostly a tranfer, would it show colonization within 48 hrs?
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Xeluc
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7410350 - 09/14/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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no, ive had lc jars not show white for a week because of temperatures. id wait longer than 3 days if i were you.
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