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anthony034
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unless im using a super easy method, that takes no time. and is less risky than a multi spore... LC is pointless to me.
isn't it really only a matter of the germination period? which is what...about 4 days (for me) usually.
seems like alot of crap to go through for 4 days...
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chucklehead
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7405382 - 09/13/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes you save those four days but you also have acceleration of colonization. On WBS what takes almost a month with multispore takes 8 or 9 days with LC. That helps a lot to combat contamination because your mycelium basically won the race for consolidating a hold on the food and moisture source and so strangles out the competition. Add to that the fact that you can easily turn 1 syringe worth of inoculating power into 50 when you take in to consideration average losses due to contamination. Yes it's more work and time and materials if you do it right. But not much more. And for me it's work worth doing. I can't tell you how thrilled I am when I see 7 quarts of WBS fully colonized in 9 days or less. So I guess the answer is a matter of opinion. I'm glad to do it. I suppose one should also consider their mycological goals. Are you trying to grow lots of mushrooms or just trying to get lots of growing experience under your belt? Or are you just wanting to try lots of different stuff. Are you trying to keep your grow small and un-noticed? I wanted to get good... or reasonably ok at this hobby quickly so I needed to get lots of experience and experiments under my belt. So LC was a help in achieving that goal.
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Digital Reality
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7405890 - 09/13/07 07:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The bigger factor with LC, cloning or agar is not that its faster, because yes that is a good thing. But when you use Multispore inoculation you are basically rolling the dice. Sometimes the shrooms you get are great and some times they suck. And thats everything from speed of growth to size and potency. See the thing about a multi spore grow is yes you are shooting up jars with the same strain of mushroom but they are not all the same. Its like saying every white person is just as smart as the next white person just because they are both white. Which clearly is not the case. Some spores with germinate eat your substrate and take up valuable nute but then never produce a fuit while others will work there ass off to create the monsters we see on the forums. So what your doing by cloning with agar or LC from your best fruits you've grow is isolating the better characteristics of you mushroom. Not to say its going to work out great every time but you sure as hell have a better chance of picking out the elite characteristics of your crop so the next time you knock up your jars with that LC or a slice of agar they should be off to a much better start.
Now granted what we have been talking about with this apple juice has been based off spores that we have knocked the juice up with so this doesnt apply. But once i get some nice crop that is the direction i plan to go. This is something i wish i understood last time around when my cakes turned out great.
I'm still a noob with growing but from the reading ive done this is what ive got from it. So if anything in here is incorrect someone please feel free to chime in and correct me.
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eVenom
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you are WRONG Digital Realty!!!
well no not really I'm just teasing you!
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Blutjager
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: eVenom]
#7407592 - 09/14/07 03:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have to check this out,bought 2 bottles of apple juice tonight
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anthony034
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: Blutjager]
#7410240 - 09/14/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i tried the plain water tek, and shot up a few pf jars 2 days ago. no growth, im waiting one more day before i dispose of.
with this tek being mostly a tranfer, would it show colonization within 48 hrs?
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Xeluc
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Re: simple LC worth it. [Re: anthony034]
#7410350 - 09/14/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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no, ive had lc jars not show white for a week because of temperatures. id wait longer than 3 days if i were you.
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