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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7392869 - 09/10/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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EternalCowabunga said: Facts are possibilities. To state a fact is to declare a possibility as the truth. There is a 99.999% chance we will die because so many of us believe in death that it manifests itself everywhere in our physical world. We cause everything that happens in this Universe, I apologize if this is hard to digest.
This is beyond "hard to digest." We create death because we believe in it, and mice create death because they are not in balance? C'mon, this is bunk. We are biological entities, born to die, just like all the other biological entities on this planet.
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: Veritas]
#7392923 - 09/10/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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[...born to die...] aehm...born to live.
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7392930 - 09/10/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, I know exactly what you are talking about. This is what I feel 2012 is really getting at. Finding the lid. The ability to live within any reality of your choosing. For the benefit of you. Information is crazy. Those that haven't had their realities significantly shaken don't know how fragile they really are. And replaceable. Perhaps. Once this is known its about building a replacement belief system, and entering, if you will. IMO. Believers have a head start. Literally real or not, it loads the bases.
Suppose you control the dream, if you've practiced or have sufficient belief in what seems. As the DMT drowns your life in hallucination(?) Might your next stage be one of your own determination?? Suppose what seems is beans. And these beliefs are just dreams. Might as well elevate your being in the time between.

Oh... I post here because I'm fucking nuts. 
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7393059 - 09/10/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey backfromthedead, glad to see at least someone understands what I'm talking about. We need something more immanentizing than human language. Maybe in 2012 we will learn the ability to sing objects into existence like Terrence Mckenna's machine elves 
The language we use now keeps us in this dense collective conscious reality (or maybe it doesn't), I do not see this kind of consciousness as our future reality.
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7393115 - 09/10/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Immanentizing? Did you sing this word into being?
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7393133 - 09/10/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is what the word means and that is what I did.
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7393139 - 09/10/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It ain't over till the Fat Machine Elf sings?
Gloooooooooo-ooooooo-oooooo-oooria
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7393174 - 09/10/07 06:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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"We need something more immanentizing than human language. Maybe in 2012 we will learn the ability to sing objects into existence like Terrence Mckenna's machine elves "
Indeed. I think it already works. On the screen inside, right?? This is the main stage. Who is headlining tonight?? Are you running the projector?? Surround system?? Backstage pass?? Stand by for sound check.
"The language we use now keeps us in this dense collective conscious reality (or maybe it doesn't), I do not see this kind of consciousness as our future reality."
I hear ya. Its the accepted meanings of words that tile it over. I've found that most words radiate meaning in all ways. Like a ball of potential energy. I love that. I feel that though they are mostly stale, the way in which they are used can be magic. Like a precisely placed collection of mirrors all collectively casting reflected light onto some 'area' that is otherwise shadowed by... Whatever the fuck it is. I often try to listen to conversations without hearing any meaning. Just to listen to the mouth noises that stand in place of these rich, complex, interwoven landscapes of idea. Ultimately what you are transferring is the divine, IMO. The Word is God.
Prophets, IMO, were just good at lighting up people's Christmas trees.
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7395594 - 09/11/07 09:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey, you know, even J.K. Rowling had enough of Harry Potter, and she has ended the series. A book without an end, a movie without end would be boring don't ya think. Death makes life interesting. Period.. Nature know what's best.
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: EternalCowabunga]
#7395720 - 09/11/07 10:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything is possible. But that is nothing worth debating. That is food for the mysticism forum where one can forgo debate in favor of dreaming of what is possible however unlikely.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: Icelander]
#7395750 - 09/11/07 10:30 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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They should allow debate in MRP forum. Dunno why it should be always Aye, aye, aye.
-------------------- Pray, v.: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy - Ambrose Bierce Medical science has confirmed what the male world has known intuitively for millenia: that scratching your ass is a great aid to complex thinking. Its God's responsibility to forgive the terrorist organizations such as Jaish, Lashkar etc. Its our responsibility to arrange the meeting between them and god." - Indian Armed Forces "Hey Monkey!! Get Funky" - Tarzan and Jane
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Re: Ontological Insecurity or Sharing Wisdom [Re: shakercee]
#7395774 - 09/11/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That forum is for those that do not feel up to having their ideas challenged. That's a good place for those folk. There is no reason why one should have to debate if that's not their gig, but this forum is for debate and one should come here ready to defend their ideas with some kind of evidence and a little bit of common sense.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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