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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #7384628 - 09/08/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The people saying we're not special are just being wiseasses :smirk:


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #7384630 - 09/08/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Senor_Doobie said:
Nobody knows, people who think they know are stupid




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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: moosehead]
    #7384636 - 09/08/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

People do know, you might not, but people in the brain and cognitive science department at MIT do.


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #7384654 - 09/08/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Because we're still fighting over land, archaic religions, and are devastating are planet. I swear I'm not a smelly hippie.


Edited by robbyberto (09/08/07 05:21 PM)


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: trepanib]
    #7384720 - 09/08/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no they dont dude. they can see that this area is lit up, and that this synaps is firing and that is about it. you can not tell what the fuck is going on.


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: moosehead]
    #7384770 - 09/08/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well you have to have so many synapses firing in order to have comprehension of certain ideas, like your own consciousness. So yeah they know a lot more than that.


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: trepanib]
    #7385317 - 09/08/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Well you have to have so many synapses firing in order to have comprehension of certain ideas, like your own consciousness. So yeah they know a lot more than that.




that is what they say, but again, there is no way to know for sure that animals don't have higher cognitive functions without actually being inside their minds.

who says that maybe a rat only needs one or two synapses to fire to have decision-making thoughts as opposed to humans which would need more? these are things they can't tell you for certain


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7385357 - 09/08/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

no

humans have this weird dis/ability where they can think about thinking :|


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7385361 - 09/08/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

hapPy birthday!


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: demiu5]
    #7385979 - 09/08/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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who says that maybe a rat only needs one or two synapses to fire to have decision-making thoughts as opposed to humans which would need more?


Emergent properties (which self awareness may be) and how far they stray from basic principles is proportional to the complexity of the system.  So more complexity = stronger emergence = higher level of consciousness. 

This is just the theory (of course), so before all the hippies start going off about how we can never know anything let me tell them scientists already know that we cant know anything absolutely.  :tongue:


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7386000 - 09/08/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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who says that maybe a rat only needs one or two synapses to fire to have decision-making thoughts as opposed to humans which would need more?


Emergent properties (which self awareness may be) and how far they stray from basic principles is proportional to the complexity of the system.  So more complexity = stronger emergence = higher level of consciousness. 

This is just the theory (of course)...scientists already know that we cant know anything absolutely.  :tongue:




but this is all based on observation and comparison, not experience.  But thank you for being the first in this thread to admit the second block of text you typed


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: demiu5]
    #7386025 - 09/08/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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but this is all based on observation and comparison, not experience.


I don't think there is a difference between observation and experience! But in any case, observation/experience is the best we got (for now) to explain existence. So why not use it?

I wonder how many people here think computers could hypothetically ponder existence? I do. If they get complex enough self-aware properties could emerge out of them.


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: truffleupagus]
    #7386055 - 09/08/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

animals are smarter than humans. they know to run when there is a tsunami


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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7386112 - 09/08/07 11:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I put headphones on my cat the other day (at a very low volume as I realize cats have a very strong sense of hearing) and put on a cool song, but it seemed to be disturbing him :what:




when did you realize they had a strong sense of hearing?
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Re: Do other animals ponder existence? [Re: shitfacedme]
    #7386198 - 09/08/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It's possible for animals to ponder existence. Maybe they're thinking in images and not in soem sort of language, they're remembering and thinking about food, about why they eat, etc. I could imagine that, because what do animals think about when they're at rest and doing nothing? It can't just be blank up there.

But what they truly ponder we may never know. :o


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