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How Additcting is opium??
    #7382881 - 09/08/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Say you grow poppies...how addicting is the milky substance secreted from the pods?? (i know its not just opium contained in the pods)

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7382897 - 09/08/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

depends on you..


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7382936 - 09/08/07 09:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Over the last few years, a lot of shroomerites have been experimenting with poppies, poppy tea, etc. And I've noticed that a lot more of them seem to complain about opiate addictions now. :shrug: Maybe its just my perception, but poppies have definitely become more prevalent among the drug culture these last few years and it doesn't seem to be doing us any favors. If you have an addictive personality, I'd stay away as best you can.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7382966 - 09/08/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

pretty addictive


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: Locus]
    #7382977 - 09/08/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It really depends on the person and how often you use.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: marshalldylan1]
    #7382983 - 09/08/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

it does depend on the person, and everything revolving around them. but all opioids/opiates are generally very addictive substances. from my own experience i wouldnt recommend anyone try it, but some people can handle it, yeah. a lot cannot though.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383032 - 09/08/07 09:51 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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(i know its not just opium contained in the pods)




It is just opium. That substance is what opium is. Opium isn't like a morphine or a codeine.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383283 - 09/08/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

for me personally, i have a habit with other opiates, but poppies not so much...i never had an urge of making tea every day. if i make a strong batch, drink up and get sick at the end of the night... i have no urge to do opiates for a long time


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: danlennon3]
    #7383318 - 09/08/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Poppy tea makes me sick thinking about drinking it. I do about once every two weeks, drink a small amount of tea, 2 poppy heads, and it gets me so smashed I am puking sometimes, and that is enough to ward me away from every day or even every week use.

However I have a friend who drinks 10-15 of the same pods a day, and has formed quite a habit.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: vandago]
    #7383507 - 09/08/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Poppy tea...pffft. Why can't a person get actual opium in this day and age :rolleyes:

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383664 - 09/08/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Since the subject was brought up I'd like to ask a question. I have seen the black tar-like stuff. Seen it put in the bowl of a bong and smoked with weed. Is that made from the milky stuff secreted from the pods? I know next to nothing about this stuff.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7383673 - 09/08/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the black tar is the dried form of the milky stuff.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7383686 - 09/08/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

most likely dragons blood incense if it was smoked out of a bong with weed.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383697 - 09/08/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

As to opiates, I've only tried heroin, once, and as far as I know substances, that one certainly is addictive. I stay away, and, looking to some of my friends, I recommend the same to everyone.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383712 - 09/08/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Very.

Opium is very addictive. And the sneaky bit about it is that it feels totally benign most of the time, until you are quite substantially into the habit.

If you smoke crack chances are that when the vial is done you are craving more. That gets you thinking.

With opium, nothing seems wrong at all, until you cut down one day and discover that YOU CAN'T.

A few years ago I said the same thing and one guy particularly attacked me for it. Later on I got a mail to the effect "if only if I had listened about that insidiousness". He started with a small hobby and got a big problem.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: Asante]
    #7383727 - 09/08/07 01:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I've never smoked it, but it must be like really good weed and you feel like you could just smoke as much as you want and not OD and smoke it as frequently as you want and not get addicted.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383747 - 09/08/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I've never smoked it, but it must be like really good weed





Nononono...

For many people smoked Opium is MUCH more euphoric and pleasurable than weed ever can possibly be.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: Asante]
    #7383759 - 09/08/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, bad comparison. I know it's a totally different substance. But I just think that the act of smoking (really, vaporizing) a crude substance like opium give speople the pot-smoking mentality — and pot's a drug you can use very liberally: any dose, as much as you want; people get their hands on opium and go "Wow, this is like weed but 20x better!!!" This is my new drug!!!

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383774 - 09/08/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The thing is opium is weak compared to stronger opoid alternatives. Even allot of the pharms are stronger like oxycodone etc.. Herion forget about it. The problem with the opium is the opium leading to stronger more addictive substances imo.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383777 - 09/08/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Usually people are very confident that they have opiates under control. Quite often a few months or years later it turns out that this wasn't so.

It took Thomas DeQuincy nine years to get addicted to laudanum, but then he was quite addicted for the rest of his days.

After his Confessions of an English Opium Eater he got back on opiates again and didnt kick it.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383782 - 09/08/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

when you grow opium
it's easier to not get addicted as long as you only take your own and don't grow a lot


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #7383791 - 09/08/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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The thing is opium is weak compared to stronger opoid alternatives. Even allot of the pharms are stronger like oxycodone etc..




I dunno aren't pharms pretty much garbage compared to smoking opium?

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383819 - 09/08/07 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well IMO no, Look up the potency equivalents of opium compared to perhaps oxycodone, Injectable Morphine, and not to even mention all the fentenly derivatives. Then if your talking non-pharms then it goes from opium to di-actyl morphine(heroin) which is a shitton stronger. So IMO opium is the soft drug as far as opiates are concerned except for maybe codeine.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #7383837 - 09/08/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Well IMO no, Look up the potency equivalents of opium compared to perhaps oxycodone, Injectable Morphine, and not to even mention all the fentenly derivatives. Then if your talking non-pharms then it goes from opium to di-actyl morphine(heroin) which is a shitton stronger. So IMO opium is the soft drug as far as opiates are concerned except for maybe codeine.





Meperidine (Demerol) is less potent than morphine but you can get just as addicted to it.

Smoked opium is close to smoked heroin in the strengths of effect it can produce in nontolerant people, and addictive risks also will be similar.

Codeine is a shitty agonist, but every full agonist is likely to cause addiction if used recreationally.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383856 - 09/08/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Even though there's a risk of addiction, that's no reason not to try it, in my opinion.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383879 - 09/08/07 02:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well theres also risk of addiction to sex(Sexual Addiction) Does that mean one should abstain from partaking? I don't think so.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #7383889 - 09/08/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, so you're agreeing with me.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383969 - 09/08/07 02:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well thanks for all the opinions...
I was planning on growing a couple plants 2-3 just because i heard about it being a very euphoric experince..and who doesnt love the felling of euphoria;)
How intoxacting is it?? see ive come to belive maybe i can just lick a few drops from the sliced pods, and feel happy but still have my motor control, and verbal controls..Am i wrong?

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7383979 - 09/08/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Even smoking it won't incapacitate you. The stereotype of people just lying in opium dens depends on how much you do.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7383991 - 09/08/07 02:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

O ok, ive read alot about how the hangover(comecown) is dreadful...
From what ive read i might not gow these for there medicinal properties...because I am basically looking for ethnos to grow next spring...
Ive got a couple plants ive already got seeds for(dagga) and am looking for plants like mj, but different. Plants that bring laughter and euphoria...so thats why poppies became interesting...

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7384004 - 09/08/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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O ok, ive read alot about how the hangover(comecown) is dreadful...




From what I read, there's no hangover whatsoever; it's actually the opposite: you feel refreshed.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7384010 - 09/08/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Give it a try anyway, dont let anyone scare you away from something you want to do with all this addiction bullshit. Ive done oxycodone plenty of times.. when the stash was done I was just fine. I do codeine and tramadol quite regularly at large doses, but it does not interfere with my life one bit. I prioritize my life, school before drugs etc. I can go without them if its really necessary for me to do so.

Plenty of people can maintain a normal lifestyle while doing opiates, you may be one of those people.. but you will never find out until you try. What if you are one of those people and never try because you're too scared of addiction? How much better could your life have been with opiates? You could reward yourself with a nice bowl of opium after a long hard day at work, after finishing a difficult exam at school.. Ive never heard of anyone becoming addicted to any substance (even crack) just from one hit, give opium a try and see how you may think it will affect you from there.

The people scaring you away are giving you very biased views, we're not talking about heroin here. Dont treat it like so.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: Acyl]
    #7384357 - 09/08/07 04:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

meth will get you hooked the first time...thats besides the point..i hate that drug, never been offered it and never will take it..

Anyway, i stray away from hard drugs but opium sounded pretty hard but ill see what ends up in my garden...

By the way am i the only one that thikns that america is weird for allowing you to grow opium poppies legally, then making the chemicals in it illegal...thats kind of like saying ' well its ok to grow marijuana as long as you dont intend on smoking it' ....which i understand that opium poppies have awesome flowers (now only if we could get a pot plant that had flowers that huge)

And im also considering letting some of my poppies grow wild in the woods around here...do you think if a person stumbled upon a poppie plant would they recognize it as a drug containing plant or a wild flower??

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7384364 - 09/08/07 04:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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meth will get you hooked the first time...thats besides the point..i hate that drug, never been offered it and never will take it..




Myth.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7384442 - 09/08/07 04:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

good im glad that ones debunked:grin:
still have no intrest in it...

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7384446 - 09/08/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Seems like poor man's cocaine to me.

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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: jccc]
    #7384784 - 09/08/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Opiates, and Opiods (those which bind to the mu-opiod receptor anyway) are all VERY addictive.

I go through periods every now and then, where I use hydrocodone or codeine on a daily basis. I feel awesome during those times, but even the minor withdrawls from my supply running out, totally fucking sucks. Horrible, horrible, horrible dysphoria, and the shits. The withdrawls only get worse as your habit gets bigger.

Look, opiates kick ass. I'm not gonna fucking lie about it. But they are addictive. Way worse than anything else I know of.


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Re: How Additcting is opium?? [Re: Sunny]
    #7388989 - 09/09/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

that sucks wish they wernt addicting!!

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