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so ya, peyote in canada part 2
    #7381975 - 09/07/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

its grown inside... i cant use artificial lighting! how can i prevent it from stretching? experienced growers only :smile:


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: distgre1]
    #7382027 - 09/07/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i used to live and grow it in canada...like was said at the beginning of the other post. it needs to go dormant in the winter cause the winters can be dark (where in canada? i was in SW BC). they only stretch because they want more light....summers are warm, and in my home dry, so they can go outside. they can take some cold temps....its the wet that gets them fast.


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: kadakuda]
    #7382136 - 09/08/07 12:31 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly whats said above. All my buttons stretch when seedlings, get them closer to the window or find one that faces a better way if you cant use floros.


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: Legoulash]
    #7382487 - 09/08/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

same as i commented in the other thread that teo got locked for ya.

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lol... so far as i am aware the sun shines in canada, at least for part of the year...
so be sure to give them as much sun as possible during the summer months...
in winter u need to put them into dormancy or they will stretch due to lack of light, or use artificial lighting.




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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7382963 - 09/08/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I live in the UK which is on the same latitude as southern/southwest Canada. So if you live around there you have the same light intensity as me. My peyote grow nice and healthy, no stretching. Just don't water them in the winter for the dormancy period (slightly lower temperatures bring on dormancy as well). Only water them if they are shriveling up. I keep them on my window sill and have a white barrier to reflect the light back onto the cacti. This isn't necessary though. I have left them outside during the summer as well and they were fine.

I guess that stretching only really occurs if they are in constant shade or under a weak lamp. If they are in a greenhouse they will be fine further up north as well. Just bring them inside for the winter or heat the greenhouse to protect from frost. They will tolerate cold only if their roots are completely dry.

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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: Williamsii]
    #7383381 - 09/08/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

green houses don't get frost cause they have roofs :smile:  i would think in southern BC west of the mountains (where its "warm") they could live in an unheated dry greenhouse year round.  but i am not sure about that.  many cacti can take pretty cold temps just not wet/cold.  in 2004 i had my peyote (in canada) outside under the roof on the deck until the beginning of October and they were fine.  i took them in cause i was not in an experimenting mind set at the time.


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: kadakuda]
    #7383517 - 09/08/07 12:17 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I know some people who run a cactus Nursery here in the UK. They always heat their greenhouses during the winter. Although it does depend on what climate the cacti come from whether they are at risk or not. Some can withstand snowfall, others need to be kept in a heated greenhouse all year round to survive. In Simon and Schuster's guide to cacti and succulents they say the minimum temperature for cultivation of an adult Lophophora Williamsii is 3-6 degrees Celsius(37-42 degrees Fahrenheit). I would stick to that.


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: Williamsii]
    #7383575 - 09/08/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i agree with that, but frost only comes on uncovered areas :smile:

i am nto sure about peyote (hence my not willing to experiment) but many cacti can easily survive below freezing temps.  i have grown Cereus peruvianus outdoors for 3 years straight in my home in canada (under shelter from rain) and they did fine...but that area of canada is warmer and rarely snows....  depends on specie.  but that is just living...commercial or more motivated hobbyists will heat it cause its better, but not always essential.

i was under the thought that some of those deserts in its range dipped down to freezing temps at some point in the year at night....no?  deserts can get pretty damned chilly (i dont like camping in em!!!)


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Re: so ya, peyote in canada part 2 [Re: kadakuda]
    #7383865 - 09/08/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It can get to freezing in a desert sometimes but it will most likely be when dry if it does so. As you say, as long as they are dry they can survive. I agree that the temperatures I gave are an optimum and not necessarily a point at which the will die. Otherwise all the cacti would just die if it got cold one night and there would be no cacti. Just use the numbers as a guide line.

The Opuntia genus generally has good resistance to below freezing. Escobaria missouriensis (var. missouriensis) is one of the hardiest of cacti and has been known to survive outside in Northern Europe and Scandinavia. I want to try growing some of them in my garden.

Source: http://www.sci.fi/~cubase/hardycacti.html

They really are amazing plants. We are going a bit off topic but I enjoyed the discussion Kadakuda. I look forward to the next one.


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