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Is it possible to create paradise with drugs?
    #7373573 - 09/06/07 05:40 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Contemplate this:
A group of people own a large property with a nicely decorated mansion. They are all good friends and know well when to leave each other in peace and when to comfort each-other. They have access to all the drugs there are. They get food and drink to the door every day. They have the goal to be there and to be happy.

Could they succeed.
Could they be there and be happy?
For how long could this work?
Days? Weeks? Months? Years? Decades?


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7373631 - 09/06/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Have you read Huxley's Brave New World? How about The Island? Have you compared the two?

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Middleman]
    #7373664 - 09/06/07 07:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

No I have not.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7373743 - 09/06/07 08:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

where theres people there's problems. people find a way to be unhappy no matter what their exterior circumstances are. and the drug expiriementation wouldn't be of any help.

Edited by Archemetis (09/06/07 08:15 AM)

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Archemetis]
    #7373769 - 09/06/07 08:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Why not, floating on a opiate cloud or being benzoed always takes my mind of any trouble. A small dose of shrooms make for bliss and some toke on that and I'm in heaven.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7373780 - 09/06/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

and then you come down....

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Archemetis]
    #7373790 - 09/06/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Archemetis said:
where theres people there's problems. people find a way to be unhappy no matter what their exterior circumstances are. and the drug expiriementation wouldn't be of any help.




How can you apply this rule to every human?
How do you know that for sure?
I think it pretty much depends on the group, but given the right circumstances, I think that a group of people could actually live a peaceful life this way.
This whole idea that people can't live without creating trouble is something that reminds me of a medieval view on life. Not to mention that I think it doesn't reflect the truth. At least not entirely.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7373794 - 09/06/07 08:40 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

all im saying is the idea of a utopia is an illusion. obviously there are situations that are better at generating happyness and harmony, but there are no situations that generate happyness and harmony indefinatly. human beings are complicated, and we are bound to suffering, no matter how much soma one has on hand.

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Archemetis]
    #7373807 - 09/06/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think it comes down to the determination a particular group has, their view on life, their ability to understand what they experience and efficiency in overcoming whatever problems may arise, as well as their skills in acting in a group.
What I am trying to emphasize is that one can't just say that this scenario is impossible to achieve, since there is so much data which can differ from group to group and which would directly influence the way things will happen.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Archemetis]
    #7373838 - 09/06/07 09:05 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Archemetis said:
and then you come down....



The thing with unlimited supply of all drugs is that that scenario is unlikely.:smile2:
personally I would just alternate between different drugs different days. Opes one day benzos the next, maybe some coke after that and then I'll take a low dose of shrooms the day after that and so on and so fourth. So that I all the time am occupied with different types of bliss.

I don't think that it would work in the long run but it would be a fun experiment.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7373955 - 09/06/07 09:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know. I mean it sounds like it could provide constant contentment, but I'm not so sure how long it would last. I don't think it would last indefinitely. Things that are pleasurable seem to be so because they are finite.

Imagine eating the most incredibly delicious meal you had ever eaten. Then the host tells you that he's so glad you enjoyed it, so he's prepared much more of the same food so that you can keep on enjoying it. Well certainly soon enough you'll have become full, and eating more of the once heavenly food will sound like a nightmare.

Imagine finishing a hard day's work, and coming home, and taking a nice warm shower, with heavenly scents in the air, and just an all around wonderful atmosphere. It's great, isn't it! Well what if your husband or your wife told you that they were so glad you were enjoying yourself, that they arranged it so that you could keep on showering for 10 more hours! After a while, after you've become like a raisin, showering would no longer seem that enjoyable. In fact it would probably seem rather repulsive.

It's like this with almost any pleasure, I think. It's great so long as it's finite. If I were living in such a god-like realm (and did drugs), I'd probably greatly enjoy it for a while. But after a time, I imagine I would become quite bored. Living with the same people day after day, doing the same drugs day after day...it's very limiting. I would probably want to get out and do something new. Exercise, work, see new people, travel, whatever. Point is, I'd get tired of that. Maybe not right away, but certainly with time.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7374139 - 09/06/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This would work for just a little while as "drugs" are not a cure for the human condition. The more people you put together the shorter the time before conflict.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Icelander]
    #7374337 - 09/06/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have the mathematical formula for that?


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7374365 - 09/06/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think it is time/people= time until conflict occurs.  :grin:

Other potential variables in this equation: individual temperaments, use of amphetamines, testosterone levels, and so on.

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7374383 - 09/06/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"They get food and drink to the door every day. They have the goal to be there and to be happy."

Are they dependent on someone else??
Part of being happy, IMO, involves solving these problems on ones own accord while cultivating a state of bliss in the mean time.(with drugs or not)
They feed into each other, at least in my experience.

The nicely decorated mansion will eventually just get the big guns all Waco, Texas Janet Reno style.:shrug:

The drug experiences (particular substances) hold much too much power to just veg out at a 'nicely decorated mansion' and waste it.
These insights need to be factored back into society somehow not kept on the fringes.  We need movers and shakers not addicts. 
People that are upright enough to live in both worlds, not those who prefer one or the other.

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7374538 - 09/06/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

"They get food and drink to the door every day. They have the goal to be there and to be happy."

Are they dependent on someone else??



I ment that they had set the goal up for themselves to be happy.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But it's off the topic. It's not a question if it would be good to sit around in a mansion/the surrounding woods all drugged up and be happy, it was: is it possible.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Nalim]
    #7374648 - 09/06/07 02:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If it was possible then wouldn't everyone be doing it?, i don't think it's possible.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #7374662 - 09/06/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

People cant afford it; and doesn't have access to unlimited supplies of drugs..

Also: many do not wish to live an incapacitated life without striving for something materialistic or spiritual. They do not want to let all but the feeling go.


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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: DistortedEyes]
    #7374667 - 09/06/07 02:22 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Your argument does not fit the subject.
Saying that it isn't possible just because it is not something that's commonly desired does not stand as a prove for your affirmations.

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Re: Is it possible to create paradise with drugs? [Re: Veritas]
    #7374670 - 09/06/07 02:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
I think it is time/people= time until conflict occurs.  :grin:

Other potential variables in this equation: individual temperaments, use of amphetamines, testosterone levels, and so on.




You are very sexist! What about estrogen levels?


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