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Shotgun for the home??
#7372723 - 09/05/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm feeling as though my wife needs to learn how to use a weapon for home defense when I'm gone. She's cool with it and agrees, so I'm thinking about a Mossberg Pump (or two) to begin with. I have small children and feel this would be a good start as far as teaching everyone about firearm safety and respect of deadly weapons. I'm not sure how heavy the slides (incorrect gun grammar) on these weapons are, but I cannot imagine a 8 y/o girl racking a 12 gauge anytime soon and that is a very attractive attribute right now.
Any thoughts guys??
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7372735 - 09/05/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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your wife is pretty awesome
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7372759 - 09/05/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just my opinion...
but guns aren't going to do you much good, probably just make things a lot worse
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Mossys are the way to go, simple and basic but pack a punch for a cheap buck. The best part they are dirt cheap! Used ones in the papers go for about $100 (in bumfuck NH at least), $400 for a new one. Make sure you don't forget your trigger locks.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: denots87]
#7372817 - 09/05/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I shoot a Remington 870. Its sweet and the "pump" is not hard to pull at all, i believe your wife could handle it. But for pure class i'd go with a Browning, my dad only shoots those. Top of the line!
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7372849 - 09/05/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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For home defense I would suggest a wimpy shotgun (a 410 or a 20 guage). They can still fuck up an intruder but they won't go through walls like a 12 guage would (thus putting family members in danger). Also, these less powerful guns are easy to wield and shoot for weaker people (women, etc..)
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Quote:
dirtworshipper said: Just my opinion...
but guns aren't going to do you much good, probably just make things a lot worse
love conquers all
bwahahaha
Love is going to conquer when you have some huge crackhead looking to rape your wife and steal your shit. Uh huh....
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7372865 - 09/05/07 10:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd agree a 20 gauge is good for protection. easy to shoot, less kick, less likely of actually killing someone.
I have a beautiful 20 gauge double barrel over under ( not the traditional side by side double barrel) Sturm and ruger shotgun. Never had to use it, hope it stays that way.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7372988 - 09/05/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I realized I may catch some crap for my signature. Sadly I live in an area that has, and always has had (meth capital of the US several times) a big drug problem. The story goes on, but for whatever reason, she's ready to take the step. I've had quite a bit of training with most every other type of gun, but not shotguns, so I thought I'd ask.
I'll have to check out the paper in my area and see if there are any for sale. I doubt it though, people around here buy guns, not sell them
Thanks guys
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: vandago]
#7373003 - 09/05/07 11:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Besides trigger guards, how hard would a 410 or a 20 gage be for a small child to wield? I'm going to go tomorrow and look.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7373058 - 09/05/07 11:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Small kids should only handle small shotguns in sporting situations and under adult supervision. I don't think kids should be handling guns in a home defense situation.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7373064 - 09/05/07 11:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it a law that u can't load a gun in a gun shop like in The terminator?
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7373069 - 09/05/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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My dad started me off with a 410 at age 8 (has no kick) then i went to a 20 & 12 gauge at age 10. Shot my first high powered rifle at 11. Couple years ago i bought myself a .30-06 and its the sweetest shooting gun ever, i LOVE it.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7373085 - 09/05/07 11:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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i have a mossberg 12 gauge pump with a fold out stock/pistol grip. very nice for home defense,you dont have to have the stock out to shoot it if you ever needed to fire a load fast.
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Yeah, I have a mossy. Not the home defense version, just the Turkey Gun. 3 1/2" mag, nice gun. But the home defense versions are much better in tight spaces.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7373507 - 09/06/07 04:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you're going for a shotgun, go for a compact one with a pistol grip as you intend it for indoor use. Kinda like that one D33p has in his signature.
If you put smaller-grain shot (#4 buckshot) in it you'll still turn an intruder inside out but you won't shoot through walls. If you don't care about that then 00 buckshot is your preferred load.
Also you're making a critical error in thinking here. There should be no way your kids can even get to the firearm. That is your top priority.
As to firearms a Glock 17 comes to mind. Its a reliable pistol that packs quite a punch and it holds three revolverloads worth of bullets.
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Edited by Asante (09/06/07 04:39 AM)
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Asante]
#7373513 - 09/06/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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The ithaca cop versions are nice. You can just hold the trigger down and run the pump action. Save time in a tight spot I guess. ;p
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: GoaM]
#7373594 - 09/06/07 05:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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or just buy a few pitbulls and mace.
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To hell with a shotgun, get the S&W 500
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Quote:
GrowYourMiracle said: i have a mossberg 12 gauge pump with a fold out stock/pistol grip. very nice for home defense,you dont have to have the stock out to shoot it if you ever needed to fire a load fast.
sounds like you have something similar to mine:
Mossberg 500A 12ga:
However, i just turned 21 so i picked up a Glock 19 (9mm) and have been LOVIN it.
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b0red5tiff said: or just buy a few pitbulls and mace.
and teach the pitbulls kung fu.
trip wire your yard.
show your kids the basics of knife fighting.
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For home defense a small pump action shotgun with low power loads is the best weapon. The low power load is unlikely to go through walls. The spray from a shotgun means you don't have to be super accurate. The sound from the action loading a round is very loud (and easily identifiable) helping to scare away an intruder. The pump action is difficult for children to operate, making the weapon a bit more safe. For home defense, I would avoid powerful shotguns, rifles, and pistols...
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Seuss]
#7373655 - 09/06/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not pistols?
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Seuss]
#7375083 - 09/06/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually your average shotgun, and load isn't going to spread out more than an inch or 2 in your average room. Or anywhere in your house unless you have a mansion. It is a myth that you don't have to aim with a shotgun. Now if the round is powerful enough to make it through walls, than it will spread out something wicked as it makes its way from room to room.
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dirtworshipper said: Just my opinion...
but guns aren't going to do you much good, probably just make things a lot worse
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Lol hahaha, ur an idiot, i own my town and i use fighting and toughness. so yeahh. idk what ur talking about crack head crackidy cracker
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Dreamer987]
#7375115 - 09/06/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Actually your average shotgun, and load isn't going to spread out more than an inch or 2 in your average room.
Another reason for a compact shotgun.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7375124 - 09/06/07 04:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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colt 45 acp for defense. big bore low powered hand gun. it will take down an intruder but wont go through them.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: automan]
#7375379 - 09/06/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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That dude with the 50 cal revolver needs to go back to gun safety class... waving that thing at the camera man, even if it's not cocked is stupid.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7377111 - 09/07/07 01:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whoops. What I was trying to ask (sorry) was, are the "slides" that you use to rack these smaller shotguns still too heavy for a child?
I mean, I am from redneck central, but no small child of mine, especially a daughter, will be using a shotgun anytime soon.
Not until she learns to dip and change the oil on the dually anyway.
Thanks for all the advice guys.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Asante]
#7377130 - 09/07/07 01:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Wiccian. Please believe that there will be no way for them to get to the weapon. On the other hand, I was also raised that you never just believed that the kids wouldn't get to the weapons. Shoot, I don't think there was one single house that I knew of growing up that didn't have at least one weapon, and most were mini arsenals. The only ones we couldn't get into were the really nice gun safes.
But I don't want to be trying to open up a safe when MethHead McGee is jimmying his way into my house, not to mention that at this point it wouldn't even fit.
I was hoping that for the next couple of years, even if God Forbid the kids were somehow able to get to the gun, that if the pull was too heavy, then besides trigger locks, it would at least stall them. I'd hope.
Lost one dear friend (.44 mag police load to the face) at 12, and another one (high powered rifle to the chest) at 10 as I was growing up.
I WILL NOT allow this to happen.
Maybe I'll just stick with the Katanas after all.
Thanks.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7377152 - 09/07/07 02:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mossberg makes smaller shotguns for young and smaller people. I bought a 9200 Bantam for my wife. Nice Gun and most of them come with a coupon for the regular size stocks to upgrade.
http://www.mossberg.com/products/default.asp?id=22
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7378323 - 09/07/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
whattheheck said: I'm feeling as though my wife needs to learn how to use a weapon for home defense when I'm gone. She's cool with it and agrees, so I'm thinking about a Mossberg Pump (or two) to begin with. I have small children and feel this would be a good start as far as teaching everyone about firearm safety and respect of deadly weapons. I'm not sure how heavy the slides (incorrect gun grammar) on these weapons are, but I cannot imagine a 8 y/o girl racking a 12 gauge anytime soon and that is a very attractive attribute right now.
Any thoughts guys??
An 8 year old can operate your Mossberg as well as you. At the very least teach your kids the rules of gun safety. Make them learn those rules like their phone number.
http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#7378885 - 09/07/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, it was a decent thought. I remember trying to rack one of my friend's dad's shotguns back when I was a kid, and I couldn't get the thing pulled back for the life of me.
I appreciate the link.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7378947 - 09/07/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Why not pistols?
For home defense:
1) they are small (look more like toys to children, easy to sneak out, etc) 2) they don't make much noise to scare off intruders (when you chamber a round) 3) large chance of over penetration (bullet goes through the wall) 4) difficult to aim (shotgun, you only have to point in the general direction) 5) they are easy to jam (semi-auto's only) 6) it is easy to accidently shoot yourself compared to a shotgun
probably a few reasons more than I am forgetting...
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Seuss]
#7378968 - 09/07/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pistols are also easier to conceal, maneuver with, won't jam if you clean them properly, and are easier to get to in an emergency. Shotguns will jam if you don't clean them properly also.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: robbyberto]
#7379048 - 09/07/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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For home defense, why are you worried about concealing a weapon? Quite the opposite, you want it to be clearly visible to scare the intruder away. It is much safer to deal with somebody that is running away compared to somebody that has decided to fight you.
Yes, shotguns will jam as well... however, as the mechanics are larger and less automated, the chances of a jam are less (fewer things to go wrong).
I also disagree that a pistol is easier to get to in an emergency. It all depends upon where and how you store the weapon. A shotgun on the top shelf in my closet is no harder to get to than a pistol on the top shelf in my closet. In fact, it is easier to find a shotgun, because of it's large size.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Seuss]
#7379083 - 09/07/07 02:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I meant conceal as in hide from other people. If you have kids you need to hide your weapon. You can hide a pistol in a drawer with a lock or somewhere next to your bed as opposed to getting up to the closet or gun safe to get a shotgun. I'll get a .38 and a shotgun just in case. I would want any weapon concealed in any situation if I wasn't handling it. What if someone broke into your house and found your weapon, registered under your name, and killed someone with it?
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7380405 - 09/07/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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shotguns are for noobs, you need one of these
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Bully]
#7380455 - 09/07/07 06:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lol When I move out into the country I'm just going to mount a mini gun on the roof for the geniuses that get around the claymores.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7380604 - 09/07/07 07:15 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Def get a 20 guage. I have a nice 12 guage, a 3030 rifle, and a 22 and honestly, even a .22 can do some damage and keep intruders away if you are a decent aim.
But as someone else said, the 20 guage will be a good choice because unless you are ass up close on a wall it (for the most part) wont go through and kill other people in the house or your neighbors. The 12 guage is mostly the same but has a higher chance of passing through inside walls.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7380624 - 09/07/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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What you need is a Remington 1187. Buy a pistol grip, sling, shell holder, tactical flashlight, and keep #4 shot in your shells.
If you have kids, please teach them how to safely use the gun. The reason kids play with there parents guns is because the parents told them not to, and that cause curiosity, and you know what they said about curiosity and the cat.
If you show them the gun, let them shoot the gun, and raise them around it, they will not be inclined to get it out and play with it while there friends little Sarah and Billy are over.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7380649 - 09/07/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't know about anyone else, but I personally think a frag grenade is the ideal defense weapon, in a psychological sense.
If I were to break into a house in the middle of the night, and the owner turned on the lights holding a grenade, I'd probably turn around and leave. Good luck getting one though.
Or you could always get a good old viking battleaxe. Or both.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Essen]
#7380834 - 09/07/07 08:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Having thrown a few frags in my life, I can pretty much conclude that my walls won't hold the damage it can do Or any walls for that matter. I'm also thinking nobody will believe it's a real grenade.
The battle axe will be too much weight for the wifey I'm afraid, and she's not into the Katana'.
I think she's getting to that point (almost 30) where stuff like shotguns and motorcycles are starting to sound good to her Thank god for that up tick in testosterone.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Asante]
#7380970 - 09/07/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
If you put smaller-grain shot (#4 buckshot) in it you'll still turn an intruder inside out but you won't shoot through walls.
Not true! #4 shot out of a 12guage shotgun will penetrate multiple walls of sheetrock.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7381267 - 09/07/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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a .22 wont stop a crack head that just broke into your house.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: boundeagle]
#7381313 - 09/07/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not a .22lr but a .22 mag definitely would.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: robbyberto]
#7381396 - 09/07/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Not a .22lr but a .22 mag definitely would.
A .22wmr doesn't offer much more stopping power than a .22lr. It barely offers more impact energy than a 30g .22lr
I wouldn't trust either in a situation where my life depended on it.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7381449 - 09/07/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, but it can do some serious damage if necessary.
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whattheheck
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7381453 - 09/07/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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And again boys, I'm thinking about my wife. Most women I've been around just didn't grow up with the, dare I say, desire, to unload on somebody who's violating. And the ones that did I tended to avoid for obvious reasons In that situation I want her to be able to access her target and feel strong just letting it fly. I thought about pistols, but we both think that a shotty would be her best bet as far as her feeling like she's got her "road legs" under her if God forbid she ever needed to let it go.
Thoughts?
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: robbyberto]
#7381493 - 09/07/07 10:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: No, but it can do some serious damage if necessary.
Yeah, well so can a rock or a sharp pointy stick.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7381503 - 09/07/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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So can a fist. Don't be an asshole.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: whattheheck]
#7381510 - 09/07/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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whattheheck said: And again boys, I'm thinking about my wife. Most women I've been around just didn't grow up with the, dare I say, desire, to unload on somebody who's violating. And the ones that did I tended to avoid for obvious reasons In that situation I want her to be able to access her target and feel strong just letting it fly. I thought about pistols, but we both think that a shotty would be her best bet as far as her feeling like she's got her "road legs" under her if God forbid she ever needed to let it go.
Thoughts?
Whatever firearm you choose, the difference is going to be made in the training and confidence she has using deadly force. Whatever you choose, make sure you both have taken safety and defense courses so that when the time comes, you don't choke and die.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7381780 - 09/07/07 11:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whatever firearm you choose, the difference is going to be made in the training and confidence she has using deadly force. Whatever you choose, make sure you both have taken safety and defense courses so that when the time comes, you don't choke and die.
Excellent advice couldn't have said it better myself. I feel that practice is important and will increase the comfort level. We usually practice; firing the guns at least ; about once a month. After she was comfortable with the weapons she found she enjoyed the range time and looked forward to it. Still can't get her to enjoy cleaning the weapons or the smell of gun oil. I guess that is still a male thing?
I'm sure the gun people that read this will understand.:)
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7382663 - 09/08/07 06:21 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not true! #4 shot out of a 12guage shotgun will penetrate multiple walls of sheetrock.
Well pardon me for imposing the European standard of living in a brick house onto the USA
That kind of gypsum/fiber stuff isn't a wall. Its what you put on a wall
The least thing that in my view qualifies as a wall is cinderblocks.
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.22 is for shooting rabbits. Police uses .38 and up, there's no reason to use less than they do.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7383383 - 09/08/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Appreciate the words, and yeah, we will certainly train her up right.
I've had a lot of time with weapons, no CQC or that kind of stuff like a few acquaintances of mine, but maybe that's a good thing. I swear these guys WANT intruders.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Androctonus]
#7383384 - 09/08/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Indeed. I'm almost looking forward to this TOO much.
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whattheheck
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Asante]
#7383393 - 09/08/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccian, how do you think Richmond and KB and all these other mass producers of homes put up neighborhoods in a few weeks? I'm serious when I say that we are going to be facing a weird situation in this country as our plastic/sheet rock/caulk homes start to fall apart.
It's a scary thing without even considering the financial aspect of the whole deal.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: Asante]
#7383416 - 09/08/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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Not true! #4 shot out of a 12guage shotgun will penetrate multiple walls of sheetrock.
Well pardon me for imposing the European standard of living in a brick house onto the USA
That kind of gypsum/fiber stuff isn't a wall. Its what you put on a wall
The least thing that in my view qualifies as a wall is cinderblocks.
So Europeans have a solid brick wall separating their kitchen from their dining room?
Do they have cinderblock seperating their bedroom from bathroom?
My point is, it's far more a concern that the round is going to pass through an interior wall and hit a family member, then it going outside the house and hitting someone far away.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7383582 - 09/08/07 12:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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WakeboardrB said:
Well pardon me for imposing the European standard of living in a brick house onto the USA
That kind of gypsum/fiber stuff isn't a wall. Its what you put on a wall
The least thing that in my view qualifies as a wall is cinderblocks.
So Europeans have a solid brick wall separating their kitchen from their dining room?
Do they have cinderblock seperating their bedroom from bathroom?
My point is, it's far more a concern that the round is going to pass through an interior wall and hit a family member, then it going outside the house and hitting someone far away.
In Florida it's all cinderblock, not just the outside walls. Building construction is fairly different based on where ever you are located.
Just get a Mossberg 500 breacher and use 1-3 ought buckshot.
I just got back from a gun show. I almost bought a PS-90, maybe next time. I won't be in the states to enjoy is for a while anyway.
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Re: Shotgun for the home?? [Re: WakeboardrB]
#7383627 - 09/08/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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In the typical european house all walls are brick walls, and the outer walls are actually double brick walls with insulation between.
Many houses use cinderblock for inner walls also but the default is bricks and cement.
No wonder your houses blow apart when theres a tornado.
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So Europeans have a solid brick wall separating their kitchen from their dining room?
Generally yes.
What would such a makeshift house cost?
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