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blkjkrabbit
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Quitting drugs and alcohol *DELETED*
#7363980 - 09/03/07 10:28 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Post deleted by blkjkrabbitReason for deletion: i've left too many footprints on the internet and they're compromising my security
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MushroomTrip
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7364047 - 09/03/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I find some contradictions in your post that I think it's a good idea to point out. First of all:
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I'm quitting drugs because of the lies and secrecy they develop and I don't need that getting in the way of my families trust and respect for me.
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I'm quitting drugs because they mess with my sleep and mess with my priorities.
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I want to become a Buddhist monk and a martial artist again. I want my feelings of happiness to come from self discipline and meditation.
While I agree and think that you should do whatever you want to do and if you feel like quitting drugs you're free to it, I think that your reasons come in a form of a contradiction and they also don't really make any sense each, on their own. Why should you quit drugs in order to stop feeling guilty towards your family? What does your family has to do with it and why do you feel like you owe that to them or to anybody else? Like I said before, you should (as in it is ok to do so) allow yourself to do drugs, when and if you want to, without feeling that you have to take to consideration what others feels about it, even if they're your family. Nobody owns you so you might as well live your life for yourself, not for what others want yo to do or be.
Also, one can be a responsible drug user that can respect and hold on to his priorities. In other words, it's not the healthiest attitude to blame drugs for that. You can't hold to your priorities because of yourself, not because of drugs. Thinking otherwise is a form of passive resistance.
And yet again, one can practice self discipline and meditation, and whatever else spiritual practice and keep on using drugs. It doesn't make sense to me that one should give up drugs (or anything else that produces pleasure or joy) in order to become more "spiritual". In my opinion, what's more important is to have an open mind to everything and as less preconceived ideas as possible. Thinking that by stopping using drugs (in all the cases) increases self discipline is an erroneous form of judging life and reality and it also means that one has preconceived ideas regarding this matter.
To conclude, I don't think that there is something wring or weird with you deciding to not use drugs anymore, so don't misinterpret me, but I think that your reasons are the most fit. That they are copied from what one hears from the wide society around him. (family, enlightenment blah blah)
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Sinbad
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7364062 - 09/03/07 11:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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That is a very good direction, I rejoice in your path and insight!
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mushroomplume
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Sinbad]
#7364092 - 09/03/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It sounds like you feel guilty about using.
As long as they do not become a detriment to your life, I see no harm in hitting the bong. Sleep? Pot HELPS you sleep.
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blkjkrabbit
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Sinbad]
#7364102 - 09/03/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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My reasons or contradictions might obfuscate or over complicate my message but the only reason that matters to me is that they no longer make me feel good and that I've found it easier to live a more peaceful and anxiety free life without drugs than with them.
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blkjkrabbit
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oliveplume said: It sounds like you feel guilty about using.
As long as they do not become a detriment to your life, I see no harm in hitting the bong. Sleep? Pot HELPS you sleep.
If smoking didn't conflict with my love for martial arts I wouldn't mind a puff now and then but I've noticed smoking has taken a toll on how sharp I am physically and mentally. Some drugs can help you sleep some can keep you up all night tossing and turning in agony, my gripe is with the latter.
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dblaney
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7364407 - 09/03/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sounds good! Just please don't close off your mind to drugs and alcohol or those who use them.
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Sinbad
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7364432 - 09/03/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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blkjkrabbit said: My reasons or contradictions might obfuscate or over complicate my message but the only reason that matters to me is that they no longer make me feel good and that I've found it easier to live a more peaceful and anxiety free life without drugs than with them.
This is a good reason. If this is the choice you choose with good reason and judgement, then I think it is a good one. No-one can speak for you and your experience except yourself. Let no-one on this board convince you otherwise. Again, I rejoice in your decision and wish you every joy on your path.
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blkjkrabbit
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: dblaney]
#7364436 - 09/03/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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dblaney said: Sounds good! Just please don't close off your mind to drugs and alcohol or those who use them.
I don't intend to. My experiences with drugs and alcohol have bettered me in some ways and I've taken away some interesting knowledge from them. I hold nothing against people who use them, plenty of my best friends use drugs and drink. What they do is their choice, and I respect it.
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Icelander
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Sinbad]
#7364515 - 09/03/07 02:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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blkjkrabbit said: My reasons or contradictions might obfuscate or over complicate my message but the only reason that matters to me is that they no longer make me feel good and that I've found it easier to live a more peaceful and anxiety free life without drugs than with them.
This is a good reason. If this is the choice you choose with good reason and judgement, then I think it is a good one. No-one can speak for you and your experience except yourself. Let no-one on this board convince you otherwise. Again, I rejoice in your decision and wish you every joy on your path.
I agree, check it out and see what works for you. I have found myself changing over and over through the years. Try everything and see if it is a path with heart. If so follow it, if not, no shame in abandoning it.
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blkjkrabbit
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Icelander]
#7364556 - 09/03/07 02:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for the reassuring words guys, I'm very excited to see how the next part of my path unfolds
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Grok
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7364826 - 09/03/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice move bro. I have come to enjoy sobriety. I like to trip balls every couple months but other than that I stay mostly baseline. I like being happy without drugs. It makes it a lot better when you do use them.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Grok]
#7364836 - 09/03/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't really be happy without drugs, but it doesn't take much to keep me happy. I just need to shoot up heroin 80 times a month or so and $500 of crack a month keeps me going just fine. A little meth every day or so helps a little as well.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol *DELETED* [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#7364968 - 09/03/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: Chubba]
#7365981 - 09/03/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I tend towards sobriety more often than not. I get drunk about once a month, smoke weed no more than once a week and enjoy psychedelics less frequently than I probably should. Its been at least 2 years since I've had a substantial trip. I prefer sobriety most of the time, and feel that I enjoy drinking or drugs more because they are not a regular feature in my life, not a necessity. It works for me. We all have to figure out what we want in our relationships with drugs and alcohol. Good for you for exploring that.
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backfromthedead
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7366267 - 09/03/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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mmm??
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Re: Quitting drugs and alcohol [Re: blkjkrabbit]
#7369392 - 09/04/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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just a thought... you know the realities of these substances and you know that they are not nearly as harmful as many (or your family; in your situation) may believe. there are lies put in their heads about how destructive these substances can be. you should not feel guilty about thoughts that come from lies... it forces you to lie- to avoid conflict
i was feeling the same way as you but i sat and brain stormed it. i came to the conclusion that i should be able to do it as freely as i want (i keep to smoking bout once a week now tho) as long as i keep my priorities straight and things in check. (and no, this wasnt an excuse to keep using) just dont build your entire social life foundation around these substances. hope that tidbit helps
good luck
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