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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
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yageman, if only your could share your love and knowledge to the world.... everyone would be a fucking dipshit.


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: 2859558484]
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Lol, you're the one only saying some hallucinogen's have potential to change people.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: 2859558484]
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You group salvia with weed and coke with acid?

Define your perception of damage?

I personally think weed is more damaging than salvia or acid but coke is more damaging than the other three combined.

Confused yet or do ya get it?

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: 2859558484]
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wowitch17 said:
yageman, if only your could share your love and knowledge to the world.... everyone would be a fucking dipshit.


And you will still have no idea.


wowitch17 said:
THEBats said:
cloudtripper said:
I don't think anyone can tell you it's going to be 100% safe, just like any drug there could be long turm or short term consequences. I don't think there have been any lab tests (on poor litle mices) that have shown any long negative effects, but there has never been a test on humans in the long term that I know of. I worry about the same thing myself, so far I'm f f f f ff ine !

Then again no ones known the long term effects of using a mobile phone, or breathing in dirty city air ... or watching to much tv for that matter.

I smoked pot for 10 years daily too and acheived many big things during that time.


Well lets put it this way. It carries about the same risks as eating at Mcdonalds.


i wouldnt say that man... Psychedelics arent harmless. If used responsibly you should not have any after effects. But if you dose too much too often you will.


Wow, that was a pretty dumb ass statement too. Thats weird.

You are one very dumb guy. Im sad that you have made yourself present at the shroomery again.

You are so simple it makes me want to hurl.

Good luck with being kinda ridiculous.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
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so much hate....


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
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Well LSD and Mushrooms aren't so different as legend would have you believe, but since this thread is about mushrooms...

Some people have had problems dealing with the mushroom experience, you shouldn't underplay what risk exists, but you should do your research and read plenty of trip reports from various subjects.

You don't permanently mess your brain up although a bad trip can bring anxiety and flashbacks for a period of time that is nowhere near permanent. Some people with mental problems or others may entertain paranoid notions or grandiose delusions.

But going in with fear is likely to greatly increase chances of a negative outcome, like you are creating your own reality. If you believe it will be good, take the right dosage, and prepare with the right set and setting, then I wish you a good trip.

I have not taken mushrooms.


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: 2859558484]
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No I just think you say things that dont "belong" here.

Didnt you ever watch Sesame Street as a kid?

You know? That song?

There is no hate here, so get over it.

I dont hate you, but find most of what you have said here to be ridiculous.

Im really sorry about that.

Its all just so NOT true that I had to say something.
Can you blame me for that?

Im not a mean guy, but I am here for my own entertainment.
No hate, just funny.
Hate is not the same word as "funny" or "revealing".

I dont care how you roll. All I know is that you say some very misleading shit and I dont like to see that at the shroomery.

Im really sorry about that too!


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Compass]
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Quote:
Well LSD and Mushrooms aren't so different as legend would have you believe


Quote:
I have not taken mushrooms.



They are and they are not. They both show you similar things but in different ways with different things. It's all the same in the end though. :smile:

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
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You could always kill yourself on mushrooms... Thats pretty permanent.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: implee]
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You could always kill yourself on mushrooms... Thats pretty permanent.



True, you could, but then you could do that with alcohol to, or from driving while sleepy.

You can find some pretty drastic info on the immediate and short and long term negative affects on this page at the bottom... http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/dangers.html

If you have any mental health issues, then you should thinkg very carefully before doing something like mushrooms, if you don't feel 100% comfortable when you are going to take them, then you should think carefully about it and if you want a 100% guarentee that everything will be ok .. don't take them.

However, for most people it seems that the effects are positive.


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: cloudtripper]
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Shrooms and psychedelics in general (includin weed) are not harmful, addictive, etc. Only exceptions are like PCP, Ketamine and such, which nobody should even touch cause they can screw you up big time. But for people that have mental health issues, or are at risk of developin any sort of mental condition, do not take psychedelics, even weed. Becomin schizo is the only bad side to psychedelics, although it does not apply to everyone.


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CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)

Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Killer Sausage]
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Killer Sausage said:
Shrooms and psychedelics in general (includin weed) are not harmful, addictive, etc. Only exceptions are like PCP, Ketamine and such, which nobody should even touch cause they can screw you up big time. But for people that have mental health issues, or are at risk of developin any sort of mental condition, do not take psychedelics, even weed. Becomin schizo is the only bad side to psychedelics, although it does not apply to everyone.


you should really be careful with that you say, especially when giving advice to others. if done correctly any drug can have positive effects, just because psychedelic drugs tend to be less harmful than other drugs it doesn't mean other drugs "shouldn't even be touched". if taken in excess any drug will be harmful on the long run, even psychedelic drugs. i've never done ketamine but i'm sure if taken carefully it would be a wonderful experience.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
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I trip abougt 1-2 times a month that is enough if anything I have noticed an improvement in mood/outlook on life. I used to smoke weed everyday for years. I quite that I am a bit pro-weed advocate but there is a such thing as too much of a good thing. I started to calm down to moderate use and got rid of all those "duh" moments. Be responsible try it and see if it is for you. If you like it just don't go overboard and in my opinion you will be fine. There is too much false info and scare tactics you don't know what to believe but believe this. It is safer than meth. coke, and tons of other drugs. I wouldn't take this to heart but I think Mushrooms, acid, weed are safer than tylenol.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: twistedninja]
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mushrooms will make your balls drop off and if you're a lady then you'll grow a pair and those will fall off also. it's called bullshit.


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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I used to hear lectures in school on how lsd and mushrooms will make you go insane for the rest of your life. I laugh at how naive I was back then..

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: twistedninja]
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twistedninja said:
I wouldn't take this to heart but I think Mushrooms, acid, weed are safer than tylenol.


I did some searching and found these numbers.

LD50s for Various Substances
(with ratios regarding relative safety/toxicity)
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Typical "Safety Ratio"
Substance LD50 route animal Human Dose LD50=Doses/50Kg
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LSD 46 mg/Kg iv mice 0.25 mg o 9200
16.5 mg/Kg iv rats 3300
.3 mg/Kg iv rabbits 60

Psilocybin 285 mg/Kg iv mice 12-20 mg o 1187 - 712
280 mg/Kg iv rats 1166 - 700
12.5 mg/Kg iv rabbit 52 - 31

DMT 110 mg/kg im mouse 60 mg im 91

DET 28 mg/kg iv mouse 60 mg im/po 23

5-MeO-DMT 115 mg/kg ip mouse 6 mg p 958

DPT 20 mg/kg iv mouse 60 mg po 16

DIPT 26 mg/kg iv mouse 30 mg o 43

THC 1270 mg/Kg o rats(male) 20mg o 3175
730 mg/Kg o rats(female) 20mg o 1825
105.7 mg/Kg iv rats 5mg(smoked) 1057
42 mg/Kg (inhalation) rats 5mg(smoked) 420

Caffeine 127 mg/Kg o mice (male) 100-200mg o 63 - 31
137 mg/Kg o mice (female) 68 - 34
230 mg/Kg o hamster(male) 115 - 57
249 mg/Kg o hamster(female) 124 - 62
355 mg/Kg o rat(male) 177 - 88
247 mg/Kg o rat(female) 123 - 61
246 mg/Kg o rabbit(male) 123 - 61
227 mg/Kg o rabbit(female) 113 - 56

Nicotine 230 mg/Kg o mice
9.5 mg/Kg ip mice .7mg(smoked) 675
.3 mg/Kg iv mice 21

Aspirin 1100 mg/Kg o mice 325mg o 169
1500 mg/Kg o rats 230

Acetaminophen 338 mg/Kg o mice 500mg o 33.8
500 mg/Kg ip mice 50

Vitamin A 2570 mg/Kg o mice 10-20mg o 12850 - 6425
1510 mg/Kg ip mice 7550 - 3775

Strychnine .96 mg/Kg iv rats .25mg o 192
(relative to 1 hit of LSD)
Succinyl Choline .45 mg/Kg iv mice

VX (nerve gas) .0154 mg/Kg iv rabbits 0 mg none
-------------- ------------------------------ ---------- ----------------
Substance LD50 route animal Human Dose LD50=Doses/50Kg
Typical (safety ratio)
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Substance Reckoned Safety Ratio (Closest Available Analogy)
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Vitamin A 9637 (mice oral:human oral 15mg)
LSD 4816 (rodents iv:human oral 0.25mg),averaged
5-MeO-DMT 958 (mice intraperitoneal:human parenteral 6mg)
Psilocybin 641 (rodents iv:human oral 16mg),averaged
THC 420 (rats inhaled:human smoked 5mg)
Aspirin 199 (rodents oral:human oral 325mg),averaged
DMT 91 (mice intramuscular:human intramuscular 60mg)
Caffeine 84 (rodents oral:human oral 150mg),averaged
Acetaminophen 34 (mice oral:human oral 500mg)
Nicotine 21 (mice iv:human smoked 0.7mg)
VX (Nerve Gas) 0 (just a hunch)
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Abbreviations:
iv = intravenous (injected into vein)
ip = intraperitoneal (injected into body cavity)
im = intramuscular (injected into muscles)
o = oral (swallowed or eaten)
p = parenteral (not by mouth / usually means 'inhaled' or
'snorted')
mg/Kg = milligrams of drug per Kilogram of body weight
mg = milligrams of drug

Wow i wish this formated right. here is source site that is easier to figure out. http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/misc/ld50s


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"The dream is dreaming itself"--Kalahari Bushmen

Edited by Salvia_Antics (09/05/07 11:45 AM)

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: maggotz]
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maggotz said:
you should really be careful with that you say, especially when giving advice to others. if done correctly any drug can have positive effects, just because psychedelic drugs tend to be less harmful than other drugs it doesn't mean other drugs "shouldn't even be touched". if taken in excess any drug will be harmful on the long run, even psychedelic drugs. i've never done ketamine but i'm sure if taken carefully it would be a wonderful experience.


Drugs like K and PCP - but especially PCP - have enough bad sides to them that make many not want to have anythin to do with them. Perhaps Ketamine isn't nearly as bad as its cousin PCP, but they can have terrible consequences. I agree that all drugs can be harmful in excess, like you said, but Olney's lesions and higher likehood to provoke latent psychosis compared to other psychedelics don't seem to be very friendly (K is also guilty of this). If anythin, my advise is more benificial than harmful.


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CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)

Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!

Edited by Killer Sausage (09/05/07 12:01 PM)

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Killer Sausage]
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Depending on what you consider to be "damage", lsd, mushrooms, smoked dmt, cacti, salvia, rc's, and even ayahuasca can fuck up your head a little bit(or to a great extent in rare cases).
It doesnt have to involve abuse of any particulare psychedelic either.
They can change your life for better or worse, depending on what you feel is better or worse for you.

These drugs can cause changes in the way your brain works permanently. Just like how a depressed person differs from a generally happy person.

You can find things within the experience that can actually change your brain chemistry. As your philosophies and perceptions of this world change, your moods and brain chemistry can change.
With that said, it can be for better or worse.

They are in a physical sense not harmful unless you develope any sort of a mental issue because of them. Anxiety is very hard on the body for example.


Yes, shrooms and lsd etc etc can cause permanent damage.

They usually change people. For some users thats the whole point.
You cant just learn something new and save it for later. You own that information. That information becomes a part of you.

In the case of those who have developed schizophrenia in part because of these psychedelics, you can bet that they dont want that information anymore. Its too bad though, because they own it.
Metaphorically, their mind found a key but they have no choice but to use it to open doors. Doors leading to some very overwhelming states of mind.

This is a very difficult subject. It can only be observed on a case by case basis. Its all just so circumstantial. Generally, for those who are curious, they end up really liking psychedelics after trying them. In a way, you could say that they cant not change you.
For myself and many others, it has thus far only been a gift giver.
SOme people eventually realize that some gifts dont come in the prettiest package.
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Even for those who use psychedelics for a simple good time dont use them very often.

If you use them alot though, you should probably have some reason for further exploration. You dont want to wake up one day after a trip and not feel at home in your own head(and wonder why/how).
You need to observe. You dont get burned out unless you are sort of uncommon.

I dont even know what a "burn out" is.

Man takes lsd in college and it changes his life. He ends up being a construction worker rather than a lawyer.
Did the drugs really fuck up his life?
You be the judge.

They all can change people, and in all seriousness, they all have after effects.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
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i can honestly say that in my personal completly biased opinion, mushrooms have tought me more than my ntire educatinal carreare. learning grows from within you. its not somthing you can go to collage and pay for. its somthing thats happening all the time, shrooms, no shrooms, right now. the universes influence one you and like wise your influesnce on it is how you learn grow and live. now manybe thats just one big intransic load of spiritual hippy jargen to you. but it means alot to me. and for that i regard mushrooms in th highest light :tripping:


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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: notapillow]
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Although I do think yageman is being way to harsh in this thread, and pointlessly bitchy, I have say that I agree with them. A mushroom trip can change you. Period. It's not definite, but I have a friend who's personality has been affected by an intense mushroom trip. Are these changes scientifically/medically measurable? Perhaps not. But don't assume that you will always come out of a trip exactly as you came in. Why would you want to anyway?

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