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OfflineLSDaytripper
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Cooking question
    #7365357 - 09/03/07 07:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone! Tonight I'm going to try to pre-bake my weed in my oven before smoking it to increase potency. I've never tried this before and I have a few questions.


1. Will it smell my entire house up? I'm only putting about a gram in at 220 for about 15 minutes. If it will, is there any way to hide the smell, such as covering completely in tin foil, or something like that? How long will the smell last?


2. Will it lose the increase in potency if I don't smoke it the same day I bake it, or will it keep it's increased potency for a long time?


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Re: Cooking question [Re: LSDaytripper]
    #7365513 - 09/03/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

1. Yeah it'll smell the house up. So maybe try baking it in the oven while you're baking something else, like cookies.
2. No it wont lose potency after you bake it.
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Re: Cooking question [Re: LSDaytripper]
    #7366169 - 09/03/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it'll smell a lot. No way to fix that.

And it won't lose the increase in potency, but I wouldn't wait too long after pre-baking it to use it.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366175 - 09/03/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

pre-baking doesn't increase potency lol. and if it's above a certain temp it will lose potency. The idea of heat with food is to have the thc absorb into the fats in the food making it more active orally. Even then if you eat enough bud you will get high.

Edited by THEBats (09/03/07 11:07 PM)

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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366180 - 09/03/07 11:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Your right about it losing potency if you get it too hot, but if you do it right you increase the amount of THC (previously was THCA)


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366182 - 09/03/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

bring me evidence

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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366187 - 09/03/07 11:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

You can decarboxylate some of the inactive compounds to active analogues of or to THC by heating your weed in the oven.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366193 - 09/03/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This site doesn't address the issue specifically, but it mentions it as a side point (almost assumed)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=16504929&dopt=AbstractPlus


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Acyl]
    #7366194 - 09/03/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

again evidence? can anyone give hint to the levels of THCa in weed?

Edited by THEBats (09/03/07 11:14 PM)

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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366212 - 09/03/07 11:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366221 - 09/03/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Its basic organic chemistry, the evidence is in the fact that the very same reaction has been carried out countless times before.

If it works with salicylic acid it will DEFINITELY work with the THC derivatives

http://www.crscientific.com/article-aspirin.html

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Alkali and heat will decarboxylate both salicylic acid and sodium salicylate, the latter more readily (even without alkali). In other words, the carboxylic acid or carboxylate group is removed completely from the aromatic ring;






theres your evidence


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366224 - 09/03/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hmm interesting. still seems pointless in most respects but whatever floats your boat I suppose.

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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366244 - 09/03/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Theoretically the heat from the flame should cause the reaction to occur, but the debate is whether this always happens.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366259 - 09/03/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

It couldnt always happen, it takes time to get over the energy barrier hump for the decarboxylation.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Acyl]
    #7366269 - 09/03/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Right, so some of it is destroyed or would it be vaporized as THCA?


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366280 - 09/03/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Im sure a bunch of it vaporizes as is, some of it is destroyed and some of it decarboxylates..

Youd have to do some lab tests to be sure about anything.

I dont know for sure but id bet money on the fact that it just vaporizes as is.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Compass]
    #7366292 - 09/03/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Compass said:
Theoretically the heat from the flame should cause the reaction to occur




The answer!!

Smokin it involves heatin it, which already decarbolizes (or whatever its called) the weed. Therefore, it is pointless to bake the weed. This process is only effective when it comes to actually EATIN it.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Killer Sausage]
    #7366304 - 09/03/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

No.

You cant decarboxylate aromatic carboxylic acids by just applying a flame for a few seconds. It takes more time and energy to complete the reaction as you have to proceed through a mechanism that eliminates the aromaticity of the aryl ring at one point.

It may partially decarboxylate, but it shouldnt even come close to completely decarboxylating all the THCA.


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Re: Cooking question [Re: Acyl]
    #7366314 - 09/03/07 11:52 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Acyl said:
No.

You cant decarboxylate aromatic carboxylic acids by just applying a flame for a few seconds. It takes more time and energy to complete the reaction as you have to proceed through a mechanism that eliminates the aromaticity of the aryl ring at one point.

It may partially decarboxylate, but it shouldnt even come close to completely decarboxylating all the THCA.




If that is true then how does one go on doing this with weed. Would love to see for myself if this is true.

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Re: Cooking question [Re: THEBats]
    #7366335 - 09/03/07 11:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"In many instances, it is possible that cooking will increase the potency of marijuana.
In freshly harvested hemp much, and sometimes all, of its THC is present in the form of
tetrahydrocannabinolic acid. The percentage depends upon such factors as time of harvest and the climate in which
the plant itself was grown. Unripe grass or grass grown in northern climates is likely to contain more THC acid than THC.
The acid is not psychoactive, but upon drying much of it converts to active THC
by a natural process known as decarboxylation.
Most of the remaining acid will convert to THC during a period of two years.
Unfortunately, mush of this THC will oxidize in this much time.
If the decarboxylation could take place in an oxygen-free environment,
oxidation would not simultaneously occur. The application of heat
can further decarboxylate uncoverted THC acids in the dried product."

and

"If the material containing the THC acids is heated to about 212ºF (boiling temperature of water)
for 75 minutes in a nitrogen of carbon dioxide atmosphere (one free of oxygen),
all of these acids will convert to THC. Traditional cannabis recipes often call for sauteing of the ganja in oil or butter before using.
The oil protects the product from oxygen, while the heat activates the THC.
This activation also occurs in the ectraction of hash oil from weed and in any
hash manufacturing procedures where heating or boiling is involved."

both quoted from
The Art and Science of Cooking with Cannabis, by Adam Gottlieb, published by 20th century alchemist, 1973.





therefore, if you either heat the pot to 212ºF for 75 minutes, or drying the pot in an oxygen-free environment, such as
a working oven (the air inside a propane oven usually consists of hydrogen and water, not oxygen),
you can usually greatly increase the potency of your pot.

THC vaporizes around 340deg, its best to bake in the oven on a tinfoil sheet at 320deg, to make sure the center of your pot reaches 212.

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