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Zepplin
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Amanita muscaria..Maybe??
#7361374 - 09/02/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Found Sept.2.2007 Growing under pine trees in West Michigan. No apparent color change with bruising. Spore print. I assume, white. Cap does not separate from the stem easily. Stem appears to have rings at the top of the bulbous base (see picture). Cap is bright yellow, more orange towards the center with raised, white warts. I wanted to show mainly the stem in the picture since this is key in IDing this species. The rings are more apparent in on the specimen to the right. Does this appear to be an Amanita muscaria?
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IslandShroomer
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7361471 - 09/02/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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cool pic, ive never seen an umbulant cap like that on an amanita before. It could be amanita muscaria, but its hard to tell, take some pictures of the cap if you still have the specimens
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Zepplin
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This is a picture of the same mushroom that is shown in pic 1 (on the left) No veils were seen on either specimen.
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7361515 - 09/02/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Without a microscope I don't think you'll be able to get enough information to make a positive ID. There are a lot of Amanita species with a pale tan to yellowish brown cap out there, and many of those are still undescribed (don't have names yet).
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CosmicFunGuy
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7361768 - 09/02/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is way brighter yellow than any of the amanita muscarias from the area that i've surely identified (also from west michigan), although it does look a lot like var. guessowi. especially the one on the right, i have seen many very closely resembling these though the only difference being the lack of rings.
the lack of veils makes me wonder too. all the imposter mushrooms closely resembling amanita muscaria var. guessowi that i found last year in the area were found earlier like this, i may have found some, but i didn't find any FOR SURE amanita muscaria until later (like late september - early december) it's also been pretty dry in the area, just that one little stint of rain. all the imposters i found appeared in the drier parts of fall.
toxicman is right though its hard to be sure without a microscope, i plan on hopefully doing a bit more in depth work with a microscope and my amanita finds this year to show the variations in amanitas in the area. Of course if and when i do all this i'll share it with you all,
i need a new microscope before i can start though, though i should be getting in a month or so.
if you're in michigan you should make it up to the michigan gathering this winter, the summer one was a blast and i'm sure you could ride with us if you're in the west michigan area.
i also need to get a new digicam so i can start posting in hunting again, hopeuflly i can get one before the fall season hits full swing. its the only forum i really care about these days though i do still wander into the others from time to time, (grow logs and pics i enjoy too, i love pics)
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Edited by CosmicFunGuy (09/02/07 01:28 PM)
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Zepplin
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
#7361827 - 09/02/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would be nice to have a decent microscope! I'm collecting spores in case someone would like to take a look at some. I'll consider the Michigan gathering, thanks!:)
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7361835 - 09/02/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like A. flavoconia to me, a mushroom with amyloid spores, as opposed to the inamyloid spores of A. muscaria. If you are so inclined, perform a simple test by placing spores on glass and applying a spot of iodine tincture, noting the color change (it is import not to perform this test with spores on paper as the paper will react to the iodine).
EDIT: i just noticed the pine tree habitat... that is a good sign at least. A. flavoconia is primarily associated with oaks. However, a bit of promiscuity isn't unheard of, so IDs can't be made on the basis of tree species alone.
Edited by georgeM (09/02/07 02:11 PM)
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Zepplin
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: georgeM]
#7361852 - 09/02/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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georgeM said: Looks like A. flavoconia to me, a mushroom with amyloid spores, as opposed to the inamyloid spores of A. muscaria. If you are so inclined, perform a simple test by placing spores on glass and applying a spot of iodine tincture, noting the color change (it is import not to perform this test with spores on paper as the paper will react to the iodine).
I'm collecting some on foil as I speak..err type. I have a bottle of betadine or some iodine crystals..No iodine tincture. Might have to go out and purchase some. Thanks.
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Zepplin
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: georgeM]
#7362291 - 09/02/07 05:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
georgeM said: Looks like A. flavoconia to me, a mushroom with amyloid spores, as opposed to the inamyloid spores of A. muscaria. If you are so inclined, perform a simple test by placing spores on glass and applying a spot of iodine tincture, noting the color change (it is import not to perform this test with spores on paper as the paper will react to the iodine).
Are you sure that A.flavoconia has amyloid spores? http://www.uoguelph.ca/~gbarron/GILL%20FUNGI/LIGHT/aman1.htm This site says they are inamyloid. The spores I have are inamyloid.
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7362390 - 09/02/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hunting Muscaria is so much easier in the UK,, .
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Zepplin
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Mike_yy]
#7362550 - 09/02/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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mikeyyork said: Hunting Muscaria is so much easier in the UK,, .
You could always send me some!:)
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georgeM
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Re: Amanita muscaria..Maybe?? [Re: Zepplin]
#7363086 - 09/02/07 11:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Interesting. According to mushroomexpert.com, Arora, Lincoff, and a few others, A. flavoconia spores are amyloid. Referencing Arora, spores of A. frostiana are non-amyloid. So I don't know what to tell you.
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