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Do you have sound financial advice for us?
    #7349663 - 08/29/07 07:47 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

This thread is for giving us your sound financial advice. It shouldn't be some halfassed idea you had but something which you consider very solid, very good advice on financial matters that might be applicable to many of us.

It would be great if a couple simple posts here could help Shroomerites getting by better and advancing towards a better financial future.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349665 - 08/29/07 07:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Dont ever borrow money for something that depreciates. The only thing that is worth borrowing against is something that appreciates (house, small business, education).


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7349674 - 08/29/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Also, dont buy extended warranties. These are, nearly always, a complete rip off. If you can manage to save money yourself you can self-insure and warranty the device yourself. In the end you will have more money in your pocket.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7349687 - 08/29/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Also, dont buy extended warranties. These are, nearly always, a complete rip off. If you can manage to save money yourself you can self-insure and warranty the device yourself. In the end you will have more money in your pocket.




I spent $1,400 on a PC once from Alienware, and I didn't buy the extended warranty. Literally 3 days after the warranty expired, my motherboard fried somehow. Alienware refused to even talk to me on the phone without paying $40, and after I did that they still "couldn't" help me without me paying shipping to send in my massive computer back to them to have the motherboard replaced for around $250. They also refused to send me the part so I could do it myself. I ended up paying $95 having it repaired at a local computer shop, but still, if only I had paid $30 extra for the extended warranty, I wouldn't have had to deal with any of that. So I beg to differ with this one...


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349692 - 08/29/07 07:59 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

-- Organize your bills etc into neat folders
Go office on your financial administration and create order in the chaos. Make sure you can find whatever whenever you need it, see where the money goes and what you can do about it.

-- Debt: get out and stay out!
Try to avoid going in debt at all cost. Watch out for loans. If you can't afford it now because budget is tight, budget will even be tighter with those monthly payments. Don't trap yourself. If you're in debt, try to get out of it as fast as you can. Easier said than done but some people choose to camnp in a state of debt when they could with some extra effort break free of it.

-- The best possible investment
The best possible investment is your own house. If you can fix it, choose a house that needs some work but which is in a reasonable neighborhood, preferably one where value can increase. Your very own house = k3y. If you have not too much to spend but a couple of truly great friends, consider all chipping in and buying/financing a house together. Theres so much rent you won't have to pay, and the place is yours.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349700 - 08/29/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349704 - 08/29/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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-- The best possible investment
The best possible investment is your own house. If you can fix it, choose a house that needs some work but which is in a reasonable neighborhood, preferably one where value can increase. Your very own house = k3y. If you have not too much to spend but a couple of truly great friends, consider all chipping in and buying/financing a house together. Theres so much rent you won't have to pay, and the place is yours.




i agree
my parents' house when they first bought it was at a value of roughly $300,000, but now it's worth around $900,000 due to a lot of factors, including a new freeway that was built nearby and the addition of a new room.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #7349706 - 08/29/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Also, dont buy extended warranties. These are, nearly always, a complete rip off. If you can manage to save money yourself you can self-insure and warranty the device yourself. In the end you will have more money in your pocket.




I spent $1,400 on a PC once from Alienware, and I didn't buy the extended warranty. Literally 3 days after the warranty expired, my motherboard fried somehow. Alienware refused to even talk to me on the phone without paying $40, and after I did that they still "couldn't" help me without me paying shipping to send in my massive computer back to them to have the motherboard replaced for around $250. They also refused to send me the part so I could do it myself. I ended up paying $95 having it repaired at a local computer shop, but still, if only I had paid $30 extra for the extended warranty, I wouldn't have had to deal with any of that. So I beg to differ with this one...




Right... like the one person who survives a car wreak because they wernt wearing a seat belt. It's a statistical rarity which you shouldn't make plans based on.

Everybody is going to have a few cases in their life where an extended warranty would have helped. But if you dont every pay for extended warranties, and instead save that money, you can pay for your own repairs and still have money left over. Remember, they make a profit off of your extended warranty.


EDIT- The same situation happened to me with the playstation 2. It died one week after warranty expired. I was out $200. But because I never buy extended warranties I have saved well over $200. The net effect for me is more money in my pocket (even counting the $200 I had to spend on a new PS2)


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349726 - 08/29/07 08:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Credit Cards are not the evil entity they are made out to be at times. But you have to learn how to use them properly, and this takes a little dicipline. The trick is to pay off the full amount every month when the bill arrives. Having and using a credit card on a regular basis is a good way for a young person to build a sound credit history. Not to mention the fact that you need one to do a lot of things (like car rentals or phone reservations for travel/hotels/etc). But you need to budget its use and plan on paying the bill in full each month. The mistake most people make in their 20's is to get into debt and keep digging the hole deeper. Its just so easy to pay a minimum payment, and this is not acceptable when using credit cards.

In short, good use of credit cards when young can help build a good credit history long before you have any other credit history. Bad use of credit cards when young can put you in a situation that will take the next decade or two to get out of.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349742 - 08/29/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

1. Live within your means.  This means not only limiting your expenses, but also planning your income to meet your requirements.  If you are taking in a Spaghettios income, don't go out to eat.

2. Save 20% of your pay as soon as you get it.  Do not wait until after you've paid all the bills & spent $ on all your various wants.  If it helps, print out a monthly bill for 20% of your gross pay, and write a check to your savings account for that amount.  Get a savings account with a decent interest rate so that you are encouraged to continue saving.

3. Don't count on Social Security.  The system will likely be bankrupt before anyone reading this is old enough to claim benefits.  Start an IRA today, and put some portion of your 20% savings into it each month.

4. If you are likely to stay in your area for 5 or more years, buy a home.  Renting is a financial loss each month.  If you can manage to get financing, buy a home & pay as much as you can afford each month.  If you can manage it, make bi-monthly payments to save interest.

5. Take a few hours to envision the financial phases you will experience during your lifespan.  If you want to have kids, plan that into your financial scheme.  If you want to retire at 40, plan that in.  Consider the experience you really want to create, and the practical details that will make it happen. 

6. Get the most "bang" for your bucks.  Think about the quality of experience you create with your spending.  Are you maximizing your returns?  If you are continually spending your $ on low-return items (gadgets, impulse buys, lattes, etc...) you will not get as much for your money.  What pleases you?  What makes you feel joyful?  Spend your money on THAT, and you'll experience true wealth.

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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Veritas]
    #7349761 - 08/29/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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4. If you are likely to stay in your area for 5 or more years, buy a home. Renting is a financial loss each month. If you can manage to get financing, buy a home & pay as much as you can afford each month. If you can manage it, make bi-monthly payments to save interest.


5 years? I am interested in this as when I will be in a state for 6-7 years soon, and am wondering if its in my best interest to buy or rent for that amount of time.

Obviously considering closing costs etc, I dont want to buy for just a year or two. You think less then 5 years rent, more then 5 years buy?


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7349775 - 08/29/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Some of this determination depends on the real estate market in your area, but I have it on good authority that less than 5 years = rent & more than 5 years = buy. :shrug:

You need to figure out what sort of interest rate you will be able to get, and what the appreciation is likely to be on your property.  If you will pay interest-only during the 6-7 years you are an owner, and the appreciation is negligible, then go with renting.  If you will accumulate equity AND see some appreciation in value during that period, go with buying.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: DieCommie]
    #7349819 - 08/29/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah I never really looked at it like that before... Now that you mention it though it does make more sense not to buy it.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: RipVanWinkle]
    #7349906 - 08/29/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah I never really looked at it like that before...  Now that you mention it though it does make more sense not to buy it.


Glad to hear it  :thumbup:  The only caveat is you need to be able to save your money so you can afford the repair when your PS2/Computer (etc.) breaks.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #7349915 - 08/29/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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In short, good use of credit cards when young can help build a good credit history long before you have any other credit history. Bad use of credit cards when young can put you in a situation that will take the next decade or two to get out of.



I go to college and it was a bitch to get any kind of credit card to establish credit. It didn't make any sense to be declined, because how is one supposed to build credit with no credit?


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: bukkake]
    #7349925 - 08/29/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I've still got $800 to pay off on my creditcard. It makes me want to cry, considering I'm paying my parents $250 a month for the new transmission in my car, and I'm trying to save up to roadtrip up from Reno to the PNW to find somewhere new to live. (I refuse to move out in Reno for fear of being stuck here forever).

This hurts, I'm paying like $50 a month, and it's like $18 towards the damn interest.



I just realized where my depression comes from.


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Maverick]
    #7349938 - 08/29/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Has anyone look at the link it posted?


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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Brainiac]
    #7349945 - 08/29/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Has anyone look at the link it posted?


No, but I listened to him on the radio for years.  :thumbup:

Dave Ramsey is good too.


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    #7349955 - 08/29/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Do you have sound financial advice for us? [Re: Asante]
    #7349965 - 08/29/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Don't make major financial/business agreements with your close friends. I learned this the hard way, and now it's gonna take a while for my credit score(not to mention our friendship) to recover.


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