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Offlinemidgard
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Down the Rabbit Hole
    #7319177 - 08/21/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

9 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds.
i am still trying to figure out what words i can use to describe this experience.
it was so much more powerful than i had expected.
i had tripped on shrooms twice, but this was so far "deeper" and "beyond" my 3-gram shroom trip.
i lost reality. it didn't exist. reality didn't exist. i was falling down a portal of void/nothing. everything lost its 3 dimensional placement (including me), and i could hear colours that i had never seen (that were like sounds from outer space or from whales).
i vomitted, and existence came from my belly, through my throat, and out my mouth and nose. the vomit was the worm-hole through the void of space that i was falling through, and every reality existed there, in that state of nonexistence.
if you can, imagine taking a graph of time, and stacking all the intervals so that all of time exists at the same time/place/space(there's not a good word for this). and nothing exists. and then everything exists at the same time/place/space, and it is almost unbearably loud.
this was a terrible trip, and my first bad trip. i did feel phenomenally great twice, but the rest of the time i felt like total shit (probably due to naseau), and i lost muscle coordination, reality, and myself. everything was nothing together.
i've "schooled" myself on how to "handle" a bad trip, thank God. if i had told myself that i wasn't ok for even one second, i would have totally lost it. i wondered if i would turn schizophrenic, or if i would hurt anyone, or if my stomach was bleeding internally, or if i could even get up off the floor.
thank God i am here now.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: midgard]
    #7319291 - 08/21/07 08:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Bad trips are really interesting. I find they're not really bad although they can be really scary. I wouldn't consider one bad as long as I came out ok and no one got hurt/busted/in trouble. Also, the greatest trips I've ever had have been the ones where the come up was terrible and absolutely full of anxiety and panic. Once you crest the hill though the descent is when I find myself at peak form and really at the top of my game mentally, physically and socially.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: wickedscepter]
    #7319425 - 08/21/07 08:45 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

HBWR are great for a bad trip...which aren't really all that bad!

Try 22...it's crazy!

The one time I ate 22...the blinds turned into a lava lamp-like fluid and bubbled up to the ceiling...It lasted 12 hours....hooray!


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Teotzlcoatl]
    #7322018 - 08/22/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I'd love to try the morning glory seed trip but the reports are so mixed. I'm confused. Some people say you need to eat a few hundred of them but here Midgard says he took 9. What's the deal?

Midgard - would you describe your trip as LSD-like? I can't believe that you tripped that hard on them. I'm not saying you are lying - don't get me wrong. If this is the case, I'm ordering some right away! I want to experience this. How long did it last?


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Mikeadelic]
    #7322057 - 08/22/07 02:58 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Mikeadelic said:
I'd love to try the morning glory seed trip but the reports are so mixed. I'm confused. Some people say you need to eat a few hundred of them but here Midgard says he took 9. What's the deal?




He took HBWR seeds.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Peteomighty]
    #7322078 - 08/22/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

so where did you get your HBWR seeds, just out of curiosity. I've been thinking of ordering some for quite some time now.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Random Patterns]
    #7322127 - 08/22/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I bought about 300 off ebay.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: midgard]
    #7322152 - 08/22/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I felt like i was going to die first time i took 9, everything went crazy in the last intense stages before the decline in effects.

These seeds can kick your ass.

On reflection i've thoroughly enjoyed every bad LSA trip i've had (i sometimes wonder if it's unavoidable at higher doses)
I can understand why some people may end up traumatized.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Random Patterns]
    #7322164 - 08/22/07 03:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

HBWRs are nothing like LSD. The odds of having an unpleasant trip are high. You vomit, you feel sick and your visuals are almost non-existant... but who cares when you see THE LIGHT?


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Kras]
    #7327583 - 08/23/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i have read reports of people who don't get very sick on these seeds. i don't comprehend that, because i got so very sick; sicker than i have been in a very long time.

they seem to contain cardio-toxins. my entire body was assailed by fatique and lethargy, and my heart was beating high above normal pulse-rate for probably 8 or 9 hours (the length of the trip, and beyond). my breathing was so hard, although i wasn't even sure if i was breathing at all.

i hope pure lsa is not this way; i would like to try it, without the toxins contained in the hbwr seeds. i will probably never try the seeds again though; i think the bad trip was due to the toxicity of them. (extraction may be an option)
i'm also reluctant to try ayahuasca now, because the things that made the trip bad are staples of the ayahuasca experience (to my understanding).
i can't imagine hundreds of morning glory seeds.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: midgard]
    #7327645 - 08/23/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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they seem to contain cardio-toxins. my entire body was assailed by fatique and lethargy, and my heart was beating high above normal pulse-rate for probably 8 or 9 hours (the length of the trip, and beyond). my breathing was so hard, although i wasn't even sure if i was breathing at all.




How can anything seem to contain anything ?
Either it does or it doesn't,,,,, anything else is psychological.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Mike_yy]
    #7327811 - 08/23/07 10:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

H.B.Woodrose seeds have different substances in their crust which can upset the stomach. Some people are way more sensitive than others to it (i'll invariably puke on them while my gf won't, same goes for ayahuasca). For H.B. Woodrose, you injest between 3 to 7 seeds to have a breakthrough dose, depending on the kind.

Morning Glory seeds are much smaller and contain less LSA per seed. You therefore need to injest around 200-300 of them to breakthrough.

You can puke with both of them because of these substances in the crust. An empty stomach may help.


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: deimya]
    #7327846 - 08/23/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i have read reports of people who don't get very sick on these seeds.


I never get sick on LSA seeds or cacti....3 words...Cannabis, mint, ginger!

Ipomoea violacea and Turbina corymbosa have a differnt complexeity of chemicals than Argyreia Nervosa (HBWR) so they have give you a different trip...

I like Ololuiqui(Turbina corymbosa) the best, It's what the Aztecs used when they ran out of shrooms


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Re: Down the Rabbit Hole [Re: Peteomighty]
    #7328308 - 08/24/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I dosed 9 HBWR yesterday. Here are my conclusions about LSA

The Good
I felt god consciousness
Euphoria, feeling of being at one with universe
Strong visuals [morphing, colors, hallucinations]
Mentally sharp, very social, very friendly

The Bad
The trip from dose to near total comedown was a full 12 hours [and time moves very, very slowly when you have a million thoughts racing through your head, so this trip felt almost like months!]
Physically uncoordinated
Massive paranoia [fear of things one need not fear]
I could barely talk later in the trip [~4+ hours, my ability to hold a conversation was pretty much gone as I couldn't feel my mouth or teeth]
The fear that the trip would never end, that I was going to be insane or never mentally healthy again [on the contrary though, today felt amazing!]

HBWR - :thumbup:


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