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OfflineCougheeman
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Ways to meditate
    #732566 - 07/08/02 10:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey everyone.

Well i have been getting more into the more spirtual aspects of life lately. I started to seriously meditate about 3-4 months ago. I have read quite a bit of lituature surrounding the subject. My favorite book is Meditation by Eknath Easwaran, in this he explains a way of meditation in which you basically repeat a insprational passage in your mind in a slow smooth method, focusing only upon the passage. Well that's the way i have learned to meditate, and i was wondering what others use.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #732603 - 07/08/02 10:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I still haven't made meditation a regular practice, but when I get around to doing it I usually focus on my breathing. Then once I get relaxed i try to hold my breath longer at each end. I don't know if that a good meditation or not but it always seems to relax me... I've tried repeating things in my head but my mind always seems to slip and start wandering off at some point.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Smack31]
    #732614 - 07/08/02 10:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Yea i also try to practice some yoga breathing techinques and such, however with reapeating a passage my breathing gradually just slows down, my body starts to get heavy at times and only during really good sessions i can feel sepearation of body. Sometimes my hands go cold or feet, from the slowing down of body processes, gives a good rest for them.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #732636 - 07/08/02 11:24 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

better watch that mantra shit,, mantra is supposedly holy, you better go with silent meditation


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #732665 - 07/09/02 12:01 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have found Zazen meditation to be absolutely wonderful. It is just amazing how closely being "centered" (as is the "goal" in Zazen meditation) is to the trippers "Ego Death"...meditation has been absolutely remarkable for me. Changed my whole life.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #732863 - 07/09/02 05:50 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hey shroomalicious, iam kinda intersted in that form of meditation, have any details on the practice of it? Thanks!

quote from Gandhi
response to the suggestion that he was without ambition.
"Oh, no, I have the greatest ambition imaginable. I want to make myself zero."
fav qoute of mine, just thought i would share:D


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #732928 - 07/09/02 06:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

hi....nice to meet you all.......my feelings on meditation?

that for me REAL meditation is not inciting a mechanical stillness, ie., reciting a mantra etc, but awreness of what you are thinking and feeling from moment to moment. for example what is hallucinogenic experience if not blown out ecstatic orgiastic experience of life from the heights to the depths. all healing. yet there happened a form of so-called meditaion - fostered by in my opinon patriarcally-based movements which sek to have one stiff, sat still, focussing on breath, or negating thoughts and thus fearing any engagement with senusal experience. the zennists call that 'mara' which means 'delusion'. and the zen forum i beong to doesn't seem that open to psychedelic experience. but i hang on in there. so yeah, experiement with exploring your BEING, not dampneing it with focus AWAY from the deep fundamental part of Nature


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: 3wolves]
    #732997 - 07/09/02 08:00 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"REAL meditation is not inciting a mechanical stillness, ie., reciting a mantra etc, but awreness of what you are thinking and feeling from moment to moment."

i thought the same thing about doing this method of meditation. Iam going to borrow a snip from my favorite book- Meditation by Eknath Easwaran

Many consider it mere mechanical repetition-a job for any tape recorder. But I would say that a journey makes a better analogy. Each step on a journey superficially resembles the others, but each uniquely takes you into new territory and moves you closer to your destination. In just the same way, the repetitions of the mantram are superficially alike, but each takes you ever deeper into consciousness and closer to the goal of love and joyful awareness.

Mystics East and West have answered this objection. Mahatma Gandhi wrote:

The mantram becomes one's staff of life and carries one through every ordeal. it is not repeated for the sake of repetition, but for the sake of purification, as an aid to effort. It is no empty repetition. For each repetition has a new meaning, carrying you nearer and nearer to God.

And in The Way of a Pilgrim, the remarkable record of a Russian peasant's spiritual pilgrimage, we read:

Many so called enlightened people regard this frequent offering of one and the same prayer as a useless and even trifling, calling it mechanical and a thoughtless occupation of simple people. But unfortunately they do not know the secret which is revealed as a result of this mechanical exercise; they do not know how this frequent service of the lips imperceptibly becomes a genuine appeal of the heart, sinks down into the indward life, becomes a delight - becomes, as it were, natural to the soul, bringing it light and nourishment and leading it on to union with God.

Nor can we call the mantram mere reverie or self-hypnosis - an attempt to escape from problems, whether personal, social, or global. When we are refashioning our consciousness so that what is ruinous in us becomes creative, our actions cannot help adding to the welfare of the whole. Our sensitivity grows until we become quite incapable of thinking of our own needs in isolation from the rest of life.

Iam going to start researching into all types of meditation, don't be shy to post your different methods of meditation.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #733918 - 07/09/02 02:12 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Great! Glad to see some interest in such a nice little practice! Try this website...
http://www.mro.org/zmm/zazen.shtml

They do a good job of explaning and demonstrating the practice. Good luck!


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: 3wolves]
    #733931 - 07/09/02 02:19 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

that for me REAL meditation is not inciting a mechanical stillness, ie., reciting a mantra etc, but awreness of what you are thinking and feeling from moment to moment.

Good point but for me the practice of meditation is one where you just get your physical body "alighned" with your spiritual one. There are some positions that seem to help the mind focus. Zazen is specially tailored for your mind to feel what you are feeling at the moment, to be here now.

First with Zazen you must clear your mind, not focusing on any thoughts. Once your mind is cleared than the idea is your perspective is not diluted. This is where you begin to explore all your thoughts.

Anyways, just my thoughts...


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #734075 - 07/09/02 03:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

My question is this... how do you clear your mind with no thoughts? I would say the only way someone can attain that is if you get someone to give you a nice blow to your head. I always thought meditation's goal is to make your mind still, not blank.
however i find that link very intersting, and i'll try some of it tonight.. thanks!:D
btw who are those guys in your sig?


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #734155 - 07/09/02 04:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

if you were to clear all your thoughts, you would have no thoughts, you would have to engineer your life differently,, thas the best way I can explain.


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #734314 - 07/09/02 05:01 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Right on Shroomalicious! Me too! Zazen, shinay, tonglen and walking meditations. Once I move I'm thinking of joining a dharma center to get formal training in meditation. It's good stuff.

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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: 3wolves]
    #734327 - 07/09/02 05:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

3 Wolves,

>>but awreness of what you are thinking and feeling from moment to moment.

That is exactly what mindfulness is and the calm abiding one achieves in meditations of this style (the other style is analytical meditation where you engage your visualization abilities to further develop insight). Most schools of Buddhism teach mindful breathing as the first step to developing a meditative practice. I realize not every style is for everyone...but I for one love mindfulness meditation as much, if not more, as analytical.

Love & Light,

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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Boppity604]
    #734335 - 07/09/02 05:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

the time I meditated with the buddhist, they could tell I was thinking too much,, in some way, they took apart each thought, during a mantra recitation, and cleared my head for me,, most definitely most beginners need help. after are half hour mantra, and half hour silent, I felt so good. during the last chimes of the bell during silent, each one struck me with such force of energy that I gave up my thought.

is obvious that no other people could do that,, because no other people had the awnsers or rather kneow my questions at that tiem.


Edited by nugsarenice (07/09/02 05:09 PM)


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #734355 - 07/09/02 05:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

That link has detailed information on how the mind clears. I am not nearly articulate enough to explain it.

Those guys are a band called "Rush".


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #734599 - 07/09/02 06:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

there is only one book
i call it "THE BOOK"
it is called
A Course in Miracles
channeled, by the foundation for inner peace


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Re: Ways to meditate [Re: Cougheeman]
    #8718595 - 08/03/08 04:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the meditation i do is not about clearing my mind
but making my mind a clearing, as in a glade


to see that you can't push the thoughts away try this:
with your nose as the focal point, focus on your breath, don't force it, just follow it,
and when thoughts come up try to cut them off so there are no thoughts.
do that for five - ten minutes. try to remain without thought.

then sit for five - ten minutes, in your meditation position, and think about anything you want, let the thoughts go free.


when you're done reflect on the different textures of the two experiences. think about these ways of forcing thought. think about them in relation to your question about thoughtlessness.



then the next time what you can do, when you are meditating, is to widen up around any thoughts that arise and experience them, feel what it is like to have them. is it jelly? is it angry? is that thought making me squeeze my buttocks, is this one making me hunch over? and so on. don't judge or reprimand yourself for having unexpected or unwanted reactions to your thoughts, just observe them.


after trying this remember when you meditate you have to be nice to yourself, if too many thoughts come about just kindly redirect your attention to your technique


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