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Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America?
    #7324551 - 08/23/07 05:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

So, where I come from, we roll weed along with tobacco. That way we enjoy a nice slow smoke, smoking away for a while and passing the joint along. All really calm and relaxed.

Whenever I have smoked weed with Americans they roll it on its own and you have to smoke really fast pasing the joint around because if not, a load of expensive weed gets burnt up and not smoked. Or at least that is my reasoning behind it.

Why do you smoke weed on its own?


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324556 - 08/23/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Alot of Americans smoke blunts.  Weed wrapped in a cigar paper.  Some people  do not like tobacco or find that it masks the taste of pot.  There's nothing like the taste of some damn good weed!  :blazed:


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324557 - 08/23/07 06:02 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

some peeple just prefer smoking it on its own. I know a few peeple that just smoke pure grass joints.

I have tried it myself and it was quite pleasant, i remember that day, i was working on a house roof nailing slates at the very top.

Great day, not the smartest of things being absolutly baked on top of a roof with a very steep gradient.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7324565 - 08/23/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I think every roofer I have ever known parties! But they deserve it, that's hot rough work.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7324569 - 08/23/07 06:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

pure is better


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324572 - 08/23/07 06:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Good* weed deserves to have its taste enjoyed all by itself.

Mediocre* weed needs to be mixed with tobacco to improve its flavor.

Good weed:



Mixing good* (quality weed) with tobacco is sacrilege!

Mediocre weed (or worse):



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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7324575 - 08/23/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Id mix in dagga before tobacco, i like my tobacco after weed :smirk:


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324580 - 08/23/07 06:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i prefer mixing it with good* tobacco too.

you guys know that good tasting tobacco exists right? you don't have to use philip morris tobacco.

plus, I don't like how high I get when I smoke weed by itself. Taking one hit off a pipe of high quality weed gets me too high too fast.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7324593 - 08/23/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

TM
That looked more like dirtweed than mediocre weed. Yuck!


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324594 - 08/23/07 06:26 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

for the same reason you don't, it's the culture.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7324599 - 08/23/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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mushbaby said:
TM
That looked more like dirtweed than mediocre weed. Yuck!




That's precisely why I said "or worse".


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7324602 - 08/23/07 06:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Thank God the days when I would have been happy to have that are long behind me.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: mushbaby]
    #7324609 - 08/23/07 06:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yea that guy has quite the brownthumb, it looks almost like the horsepoo i got in the mail :rofl2:


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324615 - 08/23/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If you combine cannabis with tobacco you tend to get more stoned (dull) than you get high.

Also, people who don't smoke tobacco except in joints tend to light up one after the other because of nicotine addiction.

If you smoke pure weed, you smoke to get high on THC.

What amazes me is the sheer amounts of weed many Americans smoke in a single sitting. Americans tend to smoke huge amounts to get as high as they can possibly get, whereas Dutch people are more into the "smoke a bit.. smoke a bit more" approach. This American approach seems like chugging the whole bottle instead of having a few wines.

A good thing about Americans is that they're more into pure/pipes whereas the Dutch tend towards joints laced with tobacco.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
    #7324625 - 08/23/07 06:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I have tried over and over to explain to my friends that I can get just as high taking about 3 tokes as they get smoking a whole one.  No one will listen, oh well, let them waste it.  :shrug:


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
    #7324630 - 08/23/07 06:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Awful lot of stereotypic bullshit in that post, don't you think?

I smoke j's and just take a few hits and put it down for awhile.

I'm an American lightweight where pot is concerned and usually only smoke when I dose shrooms.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324634 - 08/23/07 06:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Because tobacco is gross?

I'm not a fan of joints anyway.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7324636 - 08/23/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know, I kind of agree. I have alot of friends that are that way. Always thinking more is better. I cultivate being a lightweight. Otherwise I'd never get off the damn couch!


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7324639 - 08/23/07 06:54 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Awful lot of stereotypic bullshit in that post, don't you think?





No, if you read it closely you'll see I'm talking about trends I notice, and not talking in absolutes.

Americans tend to smoke a lot pure in pipes just like the Dutch tend to smoke a little with tobacco in joints. That there are many exceptions to thgis is a given, we don't live in a black and white world.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
    #7324649 - 08/23/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've noticed not many americans grind their weed up, unless they're serious hardcore stoners.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7324653 - 08/23/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

everyone i know likes thier weed broken up, or grinded if they have a grinder.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7324661 - 08/23/07 07:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I hate when people don't grind up their weed, trying to get a good hit out of that smoldering nug...

Much better to grind it and loosely drop it into the bowl for maximum airflow/hits. :stoned:

I never got why Europeans mix the weed with tobacco though, I just don't feel right holding in a hit mixed with tobacco for as long as I do with pure weed.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Wysefool]
    #7324666 - 08/23/07 07:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

holy crap i havnt seen weed like that for feckin ages, please tell me thats not purple haze!!! i have been trying to find it for feckin ages, its the only weed i will ever buy!!!


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324709 - 08/23/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Because tobacco is gross?



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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Wysefool] * 1
    #7324720 - 08/23/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

1. Weed taste better solo (at least in my opinion)

2. You hold it in right? Well fuck holding tobacco in for the usual length of weed.

3. Not everyone that smokes pot smokes tobacco. I've been a pretty heavy smoker for a long time, but I just can't bring myself to even become a little interested in cigs (or other forms,) let alone mix it with the herb of the gods. I typically consider tobacco to be a waste of time, health, and money, but thats just me (maybe the short-lasting, light buzz just doesn't justify the shit for me.)

4. If you're hooked up you can just roll fattys full of weed instead of packing it full of nastyness. Weed > tobacco in any case (at least for me.)

5. Since when is tobacco needed to get stoned? Again, if tobacco isn't your thing then wheres the necessity?

6. Pure weed joints that are rolled correctly burn pretty slow IME.

7. Not everyone smokes j's or blunts, lots of people smoke with glass, and lots of people smoke with not so nice metal pieces. So smoking bowls practically eliminates the tobacco idea.

8. I don't care if I smell like weed, but fuck tobacco stinks like dick. Yeah, I know smelling like pot isn't the nicest thing in the world, but it beats smelling like tobacco.

9. Like wiccan said the high is not as dull without the tobacco.

10. I like a nice smooth hit of weed, and I don't need any tobacco getting in my way or to help me not cough.

My theory is that some loopy bastard over there, who enjoyed adding tobacco to his spliffs, accidentally started some kind of horrible trend among the youth. Where people began to actually believe it was some kind of miraculous way to smoke the good shit.

Something else to think about is, depending on the roller, your spliffs may burn slower with tobacco, but that doesn't change the fact that it's only burning slower because you're smoking tobacco at the same time. The weed itself burns the same rate either way. Roll 1 joint with weed and tobacco, and roll another with just the same amount of weed and no tobacco. Joint without tobacco may burn "faster"(not really but thats what they say) , but you're still inhaling the same amount of weed, and NOT smoking some fucking tobacco. Properly rolled pure joints won't sit there and burn away fast.
So good rolled pure joints = FTW.

Don't get me wrong.. if you enjoy tobacco with your weed go right ahead. :thumbup:

I'm just not seeing the logic behind it though. :nonono:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Wysefool]
    #7324749 - 08/23/07 08:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I hate when people don't grind up their weed, trying to get a good hit out of that smoldering nug...

Much better to grind it and loosely drop it into the bowl for maximum airflow/hits. :stoned:

I never got why Europeans mix the weed with tobacco though, I just don't feel right holding in a hit mixed with tobacco for as long as I do with pure weed.




Maybe i've just read this wrong, but do people actually stick entire nugs into a bowl and try to light it like that? That's just fucking stupid.  I've never seen anybody stick an unbroken nug into a bowl and smoke it like that.  Or, rather, attempt to.

I roll pure bud joints or 80/20 weed/tobacco when i'm with friends.  When i'm by myself, I usually don't see the need to roll an entire pure bud joint to myself, so I tobacco it up.  In groups though, not everyone likes the tobacco, plus, more people smoking means I need more room for bud.

I personally don't find the tobacco to ruin the weed taste, unless there's way too much in there. Blunts ruin the taste of bud more than spliffs do, IME.

I'm a proud american citizen and I roll with tobacco.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324754 - 08/23/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't smoke my joints with tobacco because I don't like nicotine.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324765 - 08/23/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

My brother is ALL into mixing tobacco and weed; Says it gives him a "better high" He is also a non-cig smoker, and only smokes tobacco when it is mixed with weed. I personally don't like because I tried it. To me, both effects are dulled, so it is a waste.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324766 - 08/23/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I like the taste of weed. Good weed. I would not waste my lungs on bunk. I smoke joints but only half or less when by myself.Bongs tend to make me cough a lot. Even on very small hits.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324773 - 08/23/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

For the record I LOOOOOVE smoking joints. someone one here said "who the hell smokes joints anyway" it's my favorite way. and I do actually prefer a spliff to an all weed joint. depending on the situation. i personally like mixing good weed with tobacco cuase it mellows the high for me. this way i'm not forced to smoking a whole marijuana ciggarette of good nugs. I like smoking joints cause i like making my smoking experience longer as opposed to taking a few quick rips off a bowl. Blunts are nice every now and then but i find that to be a waste of weed too at least when smoked between to people.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
    #7324789 - 08/23/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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If you combine cannabis with tobacco you tend to get more stoned (dull) than you get high.

Also, people who don't smoke tobacco except in joints tend to light up one after the other because of nicotine addiction.

If you smoke pure weed, you smoke to get high on THC.

What amazes me is the sheer amounts of weed many Americans smoke in a single sitting. Americans tend to smoke huge amounts to get as high as they can possibly get, whereas Dutch people are more into the "smoke a bit.. smoke a bit more" approach. This American approach seems like chugging the whole bottle instead of having a few wines.

A good thing about Americans is that they're more into pure/pipes whereas the Dutch tend towards joints laced with tobacco.




Not me. The actual smoke and the act of smoking give me just as much pleasure as the THC itself. I would smoke it just for the good taste and smell regardless if it gives me a buzz. But it's my experience that by smoking out of glassware, I use a substantially less amount of weed. I usually smoke .1-.2g per sitting. I also see nothing wrong with smoking a larger amount of weed considering it's better to do that than smoke shitty cancer causing tobacco. I enjoy a long smoke without the use of tobacco...it rarely has to do with getting more fucked up. A lot of time I satisfied with my buzz after 2-3 hits but will smoke more simply because it's something I enjoy.

I love it how all europians steriotype americans....and I would say there is no different from pointing out "trends" and steriotyping. :smirk:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7324802 - 08/23/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Personally I go for the tobacco/weed mix when it's bongs and straight weed when it's joints.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7324805 - 08/23/07 08:49 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I don't smoke tobacco, and sure as hell wouldn't want it touching my weed.

I bought a nice space case grinder years ago, grinding and smoking is the ONLY way to go. I also try to clean out my pipe as much as possible...

People go buy pipes and they like the fact that they change color after the inside of the pipe gets caked with resin. Thats gross! Smoking quality pot in a dirty pipe destroys the flavor!!:(

I also pack small amounts at a time... If you have good shit and it is ground/packed properly all you need is one hit and your good to go.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: m.v2]
    #7324810 - 08/23/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

now THAT's some twisted shit.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7324832 - 08/23/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I love it how all europians steriotype americans....





That is a stereotype, because you're saying "all Europeans" thereby generalizing.

What I did is point out trends I see among populations. Thats a different thing. I also pointed out trends I see among the Dutch.


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and I would say there is no different from pointing out "trends" and steriotyping.





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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7324834 - 08/23/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Not all of my friends smoke or enjoy tobacco so I stick to rolling weed only. I'm a cigarette smoker so it's not a big deal, my best friend's sister is pretty much the only person I smoke with that rolls with tobacco and I don't mind. I guess it's just that fact that weed only J's is the way I started rolling, so why stop now?

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    #7324954 - 08/23/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've rolled plenty of spliffs in my day but I prefer my cannabis unadulterated. Makes it difficult to smoke a joint by myself because the stuff I smoke is very potent. So I usually smoke out of a glass bowl.

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    #7324968 - 08/23/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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    #7324972 - 08/23/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I have a few FOAFs that pack tobacco in their bong with the weed! :puke:


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7325111 - 08/23/07 10:13 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Hmmm post seems successful.

The way I see it (and I will be generalizing due to what I have experienced personally, obviously there are exceptions)

Americans attitude to drink (beerbongs, frat parties, etc) is also applied to smoking weed. You want to get really drunk really fast, and you want to get stoned really strong really fast.

European attitude to drinking is a lot more social. Obviously we get very drunk sometimes, but most of us enjoy sipping a glass of wine with a meal or drinking a beer with our friends down at the local bar. The same applies to weed. We seem to have a more relaxed attitude to weed and probably this is why we mix it with tobacco, to mellow out the effects and be able to enjoy the PROCESS of getting stoned.

I'm not judging or saying one method is better than the other, I'm just trying to state facts

Also, in Europe we smoke a lot more hash that in the States and generally better stuff too, and hash is mixed with tobacco. So maybe that has something to do with it.

Oh and I have smoked good and bad weed alone and mixed and I do have to say that unless the tobacco is overpowering, the mix can taste really nice.


A small note for those who say "tabacco causes cancer so I don't mix"

Any kind of smoke entering the lungs can cause cancer, be it tobacco or weed. It isn't the fact that it is tobacco that causes cancer it's the fact that you are breathing the smoke of 30 little burning sticks a day that is causing the cancer.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7325126 - 08/23/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Euros dont put tobacco in their weed; they put weed in their tobacco. They smoke them just like cigs.

So back in the day in europe all the tobacco was imported and very expensive as an import. Then the king of the local euro state would tax it heavily. So euros started mixing weed or hemp which was cheaper than tobacco, to cut their cig. expense down. Ive seen paintings of what look like the 3 musketeers rolling tobacco/hemp cigarettes from old amsterdam.

Then In America people would cut their weed with tobacco to extend their weed supply, "jazz cigarettes". mixing weed with tobacco probably died with the hippies in America IMO. Why would you want to
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325138 - 08/23/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"We Americans" do not just smoke joints. "We Americans" invest in things called pipes and vaporizers. And to mix half and half tobacco/weed on a 2 foot bong isn't going to feel the greatest on your lungs. Not to mention tobacco is downright disgusting in any form ( cig, pipe, bong, vaporizer ), and a waste of time/money/health.

"We americans" like to conserve our weed and only take a couple hits at a time, get high, and ride it out til later on, when I can take a couple more hits, and get high again. The amount of weed you throw in a joint or a blunt, I can get high off 3-5 times in one day out of my vape or my bong.....silly Americans.

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I'm not judging or saying one method is better than the other, I'm just trying to state facts




Can I get a reference to where you got all these "facts" from.

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Hmmm post seems successful.




You have successfully made yourself look like a prententious biased "I'm better than you" european. You aren't so blatently saying " you americans smoke weed like wasteful assholes", just saying your "methods" are better? I garauntee you'll find tons of "americans" smoking half and half joints, tons of "europeans" getting smashed in 10 minutes and smoking blunts, stereotyping people is just, well, ignorant.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: ralphroks]
    #7325142 - 08/23/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I hate tobacco with my weed... Hell I don't even smoke it, I vaporize my weed. And I don't smoke tobacco anymore either.

But... I don't just get stoned off weed alone, I usually drink a few porters and stouts as well every night when I'm takin' my sleep toke.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
    #7325144 - 08/23/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I love it how all europians steriotype americans....



That is a stereotype, because you're saying "all Europeans" thereby generalizing.

What I did is point out trends I see among populations. Thats a different thing. I also pointed out trends I see among the Dutch.

That is a stereotype, because you're saying "all Europeans" thereby generalizing.




That was the point, if you noticed when I said that it was in italics with a :smirk: icon at the end...i was trying to be sarcastic over the intraweb. :ohwell:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: sublimistri]
    #7325176 - 08/23/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Ii like my tobacco after weed :smirk:




Nuthin in the world better than a cig after some good tokin' 
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Pure weed is the way to go, roll up a blunt, joint, or just pack the bong.. I'll admit sometimes it's nice to smoke a tobacco mixed joint - but its just not on par with good old mary jane!


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7325185 - 08/23/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7325214 - 08/23/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

hey, I'm not trying to be offensive.

Just curious. That is why I am asking "you Americans" what it is YOU do so I can get a look at the bigger picture.

The first time I came across it it surprised me.

Weed in Europe is very available and as in all places isn't expensive if you know where to get it and is very expensive if you don't (is in short supply) so I don't think the money issue is part of it really, and i know a lot of non smokers that mix tobacco with their weed and hash.

I had some american friends over not long ago and they were outstanded at the quality of the weed I was getting at 2 euros a gram (about 60 euros or 80 dollars an ounce). It just depends on your sources.

But they didn't get the concept of us sitting down with a couple of bottles of beer and lighting up joints smoking slowly and getting a nice buzz all night long, just talking and hunting about for munchies.

We use bongs and vaporizes also you know but it is true that it isn't an everyday thing. I do think the American Bigger, Faster, Stronger lifestyle does come into play here though.

Vandago, I'm not saying you waste weed or that we smoke it better that you or anything of the sort, I am just genuinely curious as to why it is done as you do it over the other side of the atlantic.

For example I have already realized by what people have posted that you have a more negative stance to tobacco than us (i.e tobacco is gross/causes cancer/tastes nasty/spoils weed) so it is obvious that if that is what you think of tobacco, you would avoid mixing it in with your weed.

EDIT: AS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE FOUND THE "YOU AMERICANS" BIT OF THE TITLE OFFENSIVE (TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL) I HAVE CHANGED THE TITLE OF THE POST.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325230 - 08/23/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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A small note for those who say "tabacco causes cancer so I don't mix"

Any kind of smoke entering the lungs can cause cancer, be it tobacco or weed. It isn't the fact that it is tobacco that causes cancer it's the fact that you are breathing the smoke of 30 little burning sticks a day that is causing the cancer.

Okay, by mixing weed with tobacco you will end up breathing more smoke than if you only smoked the same amount of weed alone, that is true, but it isn't the tobacco part alone of the spliff that is causing the cancer.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4363437#4363437
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5356966#5356966

Just a few sources to help clear things up for you. I just did a quick search and these are just a couple of the first relevant hits. There are much more recent articles that say the same thing. The statistics speak for themselves, tobacco causes cancer and kill an estimated 400,000 people a year. And by smoking only weed, 3-4 hits at a time via glass, I limit the amount of smoke into my body to a minimum. And I don't get the carcinogens from the smoldering paper. But besides that, vapos are my favorite way of ingenstion, I just don't own one yet.

But like you say, smoke using your method of choice, nothing wrong with it. But you simply cannot say that smoking tobacco vs weed carries the same health risks.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325238 - 08/23/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

What I'm trying to convey by putting " we americans" in qoutes is saying, why label me as just an american? I'm a human. As are you.

We humans all have different rituals, methods, habits.

I am not about a bigger faster stronger lifestyle, in fact, none of the "americans" I partake with think that way.

I think my shitty government has givin every other country such a biased opinion on how we are as people, when it couldn't be farther from the truth. Just because all the rich fucks in my country own a hummer and drive it through saplings just for kicks, doesn't mean we all do. Just like I'm sure all you europeans aren't prentious enough to single everyone out based on their country, or how movies and government portrays their country/lifestyle.

You should have labeled the post " why do PEOPLE smoke pure weed", and I wouldn't be hopelessly and pointlessly ranting. That's all I'm getting at really, open your mind.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
    #7325255 - 08/23/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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You have successfully made yourself look like a prententious biased "I'm better than you" european. You aren't so blatently saying " you americans smoke weed like wasteful assholes", just saying your "methods" are better? I garauntee you'll find tons of "americans" smoking half and half joints, tons of "europeans" getting smashed in 10 minutes and smoking blunts, stereotyping people is just, well, ignorant.






Nobody was saying all Americans do this, all Europeans do this, he was merely pointing out generalities he has noticed. I have smoked with many Americans, Canadians, and Europeans, and I've noticed similar tendencies.

If you travel you will see all kinds of subtle differences in general attitudes about everything from region to region. Merely identifying these tendencies is does not constitute prejudice or discrimination or judgment. There's nothing to get defensive about. To me it's fascinating, and it's the most exciting part about traveling.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7325271 - 08/23/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yes of course there is going to be difference in culture, and yes I'm a grumpy asshole :smile:.  For some reason people asking groups a question only an individual can answer gets on my nerves.  Really my griping is unnecessary, and like I said, pointless, but oh well, that's what the intranet is for eh?

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
    #7325311 - 08/23/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If I just paid $60 for an 1/8th of medical weed I'm not gonna get shitty tobacco anywhere near it.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325321 - 08/23/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I totally see where you're coming from. i'm from new york. i'd say a large majority of the people i've come into contact with like to get high fast and drunk fast.. it's not about the whole process of doing it. it's more about the end result. i personally like to take my time and hang out and drink good booz and smoke good pot.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325324 - 08/23/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I like to savor the weed. Tobacco will ruin the flavor. Plus tobacco sucks.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
    #7325329 - 08/23/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Well, the thing is, I live in Europe, and seeing people smoke weed on its own in a JOINT is a very very rare thing, and most of the people I know who do it are north or south American. Also, any American friends/people I have met confirm that it is the most common way to make a joint back home (usually with a bleurgh you mix what with your weed? lol)

So that is why I used the word Americans in the post.

It is as if I asked the question Why do all Chinese eat rice? It doesn't  have to be a stereotipical question. The answer should be that culturally, except in the northern regions of China where wheat could be grown (and so they could eat noodles or bread) rice was the only staple food that could be grown, so rice became a main ingredient in Chinese cooking. It doesn't mean non Chinese don't eat rice or that eating rice is wrong, it is just a question made towards something that is commonplace in a certain area.

I am not asking why a certain individual of any country smokes weed on it's own I am asking why in America is it commonplace to do so, hence the question.

I also am very aware of the fact that not all americans are all about bigger faster stronger, and I am not saying you or your friends are, but you have to admit that there is a lot of that out there, and they smoke weed on its own also.

I don't want to know why you in particular don't mix I want to know why YOU think America as a general population doesn't tend to mix.

On the cancer side of things:

Using vaporizers, bongs etc reduces the amount of smoke inhaled thanks to eliminating paper/combustion. What I was trying to say is that it is the amount of actual smoke that you inhale that is dangerous, not if that smoke comes from burning tobacco or weed. Obviously the best way to inhale THC is going to be using a vaporizer, where you will have no paper smoke, no tobacco smoke and very little weed smoke to breathe.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325350 - 08/23/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

If your going to cut us down, at lest get it right. Its the United States of America.


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    #7325361 - 08/23/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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If your going to cut us down at lest get it right. Its the United States of America, by the way.




Nobody's cutting anyone down.. holy shit. Some of you are looking for a fight, I swear.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7325387 - 08/23/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, no swinging fists here, just griping for the sake of griping this lovely morning.

But I think the reason a lot of people here like to get high and drunk really fast is because the US as a country is competetive within itself, everyones gotta be richer, more powerful, bigger, like you said. And if you can drink 12 beers instead of 8 beers, in a lot of places ( usually among a younger crowd ) you are more of a hardass and talked about amongst peers. Where as the guy that gets a nice buzz off sipping some beers and a couple hits of weed is a "pussy".

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Brainiac]
    #7325391 - 08/23/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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If your going to cut us down, at lest get it right. Its the United States of America.




It's not just U.S.A. citizens that smoke weed that like that. I know Canadians, Peruvians, Mexicans, Colombians, Argentinians ... that do it too.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325448 - 08/23/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Dont get so butthurt about Political correctness, when you know it doesnt hurt anyones feelings and its true, most Americans dont mix tobacco and weed outside of blunts. You`re just using PC as a tool here for alternative agendas of limiting free speech.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
    #7325472 - 08/23/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

well, i think we can all agree that weed is better to smoke than tobacco, right? doesnt it taste better, smell better, and feel better in your lungs? so why would you wanna mix that great smoking experience with something that not only tastes less good, and doesnt get you high, but also has been proven to kill about 12K people a day? not to say that smoking pure weed is great for you, but id venture to say that tobacco is probably worse, and i think its just a shitty association to make, to mix good and pure and naturally delicious mary jane with something processed to death and doused with tons of deadly chemicals proven to cause cancer, which are only added to make us addicted to pouring money into the pockets of corporations.

in summary:

tobacco = big business
weed = supporting your local farmers

tobacco = gets you addicted
weed = gets you high

tobacco = deadly
weed = less deadly

tobacco = tastes ok (if your already addicted)
weed = tastes GREAT


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    #7325486 - 08/23/07 11:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I`ll smoke hookah tobacco through a waterpipe(hookah) Its turkish
tobacco aged in molasses with artificial flavorings. Its like a blunt taste except less nicotine, if you throw buds in a hookah the bud will burn before the tobacco ever smokes because of the molasses


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325515 - 08/23/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

When I lived in the Virgin Islands the ppl I smoked it with put what they called funta(sp) in their joints, which is pure homegrown tabacco and I enjoyed it I would like to get some. I wouldnt put no other tabacco in my joints. I prefer blunts tho


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: ralphroks]
    #7325543 - 08/23/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I`ll smoke hookah tobacco through a waterpipe(hookah) Its turkish
tobacco aged in molasses with artificial flavorings. Its like a blunt taste except less nicotine, if you throw buds in a hookah the bud will burn before the tobacco ever smokes because of the molasses





thats not true....my old roomate used to have several hookahs from when he lived in israel, and we would put weed in em all the time, all you have to do is mix it good with the tobacco, not just sit it on top, as long as it gets the same molasses coating as the tobacco and mix it up evenly in the bowl the weed burns for as long as whatever else is in there......i must sound like a hypocrite, but i used to smoke hookahs with weed for about a year when i lived with my old roommate....we called weed + hookah tobacco = the remix.....i havent done that for a few years though, ever since i stopped my other tobacco smoking


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325553 - 08/23/07 12:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

bigger, faster, stronger lifestyle? okay, have fun with your stereotypes.. really that has nothing to do with anything. and that really doesnt apply to the general population


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Infrared]
    #7325593 - 08/23/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

America, FUCK YEAH!

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: boomer q]
    #7325594 - 08/23/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I`ll smoke hookah tobacco through a waterpipe(hookah) Its turkish
tobacco aged in molasses with artificial flavorings. Its like a blunt taste except less nicotine, if you throw buds in a hookah the bud will burn before the tobacco ever smokes because of the molasses





thats not true....my old roomate used to have several hookahs from when he lived in israel, and we would put weed in em all the time, all you have to do is mix it good with the tobacco, not just sit it on top, as long as it gets the same molasses coating as the tobacco and mix it up evenly in the bowl the weed burns for as long as whatever else is in there......i must sound like a hypocrite, but i used to smoke hookahs with weed for about a year when i lived with my old roommate....we called weed + hookah tobacco = the remix.....i havent done that for a few years though, ever since i stopped my other tobacco smoking




I own a couple of Hookah/Narguileh and I sometimes mix too. What I find works great is to chop up the buds (grinding is too fine) and let them sit in honey (overnight if possible). They you mix it well with the flavoured tobacco, put a thin layer of just tobacco ontop and then your coal (if you use foil, no need even for the top layer). It's really nice and gives you a very mellow evening.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Infrared]
    #7325596 - 08/23/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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bigger, faster, stronger lifestyle? okay, have fun with your stereotypes.. really that has nothing to do with anything. and that really doesnt apply to the general population





well, all stereotypes are rooted in fact, and i think that ones no different, how many ass hole house wives do you see driving around alone in their suburbans to get some groceries? whats the point of a hummer H2 or H3? yet they sell like hotcakes....how many hummers do you see in european cities? exactally, you see smart cars and cooper minis


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: boomer q]
    #7325633 - 08/23/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Lol you guys are so sensitive after they  wave of anti-Americanism since the war. I think this guy was just asking a question.:shrug:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: boomer q]
    #7325655 - 08/23/07 12:35 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I like my coffee black. I like my whiskey neat. I like my weed by itself (glass bowls).
Now, that doesn't answer why Americans roll all weed joints. The ever-present taboo of marijuana in the states could be a reason. Since the thirties, the US, namely WR Hearst forced propaganda down America's throats. I think that that spawned a lasting taboo, and in a way turned weed into, for lack of a better word, Martyrjuana. It brings back an image of my younger days, beneath a bridge, hastily, nervously smoking a joint with my middle school friends. We felt like rebels, we felt cool, and it felt illegal. The point is, in America, we don't (unfortunately) think about weed in such a casual sense, early on. And that may be why we smoke weed as is, and not mixed with a leisurely-smoked plant like tobacco.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7325697 - 08/23/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Haha, I've gotten some ditchy mexican stuff like that before for 50 an O. It wasn't even really worth smoking though. :thumbdown:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7325713 - 08/23/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

you couldn't pay me $50 to smoke on O of that shit.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
    #7325732 - 08/23/07 12:54 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

that look at all like weed.....more like peat moss


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7325771 - 08/23/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Haha, I've gotten some ditchy mexican stuff like that before for 50 an O. It wasn't even really worth smoking though. :thumbdown:




:haha: check it out


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325773 - 08/23/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

When I was in London, they all smoked spliffs (tobacco and pot) because the weed was fucking wet and wouldn't light on its own.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: TODAY]
    #7325778 - 08/23/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

gross...now that's just shitty weed.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: TODAY]
    #7325785 - 08/23/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Was that because the weed wasn't cured or because it was always raining? lol


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: TODAY]
    #7325788 - 08/23/07 01:11 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Wet weed is a crime.

Weed should be dried at the very least and if possible, cured.

The simplest curing is storing the dried weed for 3-4 months. It'll taste much better.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325812 - 08/23/07 01:21 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Why do I smoke weed on it's own? Because I smoke really great weed that has fuckin flavor and why dirty it up with tobacco. That's blasphemy.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7325857 - 08/23/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I love how this thread has split into 4 tangents:

  • Potsmokers talking about tobacco vs no tobacco in joints
  • Potsmokers hating on that brick weed picture
  • Americans whining about getting stereotyped
  • Some shit about hookahs



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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7325957 - 08/23/07 02:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I live in Canada, and I've never smoked tobacco rolled with weed. That's fucking disgusting. Blunts, fine.. but shredded tobacco in the joint? WTF. Burns at a fine speed without tobacco in there.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Brugman]
    #7326031 - 08/23/07 02:31 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i don't understand why you go out and buy chronic weed, then mix it with tobacco to "smoke more." the idea of buying good weed is so you have to smoke less. if your willing to smoke such large amounts, you might as well just substitue the weed and tobaccoo for all weed joint of middies. you'l get just as high.

why turn ur nuggets into middies?

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7326044 - 08/23/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

The only real reason for wet weed is to rip people off by selling them water weight.

Not exactly...though I have come across some shady dealers who would add water to their weed!

Usually (around here) you get wet weed because there has been a drought (of weed) in the area and some commercial grower just wants to get his weed out ASAP. It's been dried for, at the most, two days usually with some heat.

The outside of the bud dries before the insides have dried out...so what may feel dry isn't actually dry! Pop that stuff in a bag for a few days...and it'll come out wet :frown:


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7326061 - 08/23/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

also, a well rolled joint will burn for a long time with just weed. sometimes it helps if you humidify dry weed. or if you buy better quality papers.

theres also a right way and a wrong way to smoke joints. most people just don't know to smoke them right. I've seen some stupid shit when sharing joints. some peopel take long hits, or quick successive hits. this causes the cherry to heat up to much, so give it a chance to cool down! some people feel the need to blow the ash off every damn second, this blows of some off the cherry you could have smoked as well as allow the cherry to get more oxygen.

you want to take small hits, and mix those hits with a breath of fresh air before exhaling. i can make a skinny little joint burn for a long time and get very stoned.

PS:Blunts are for wiggers only.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7326077 - 08/23/07 02:46 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I have noticed that a nice tightly rolled joint will almost quit smoldering if you don't inhale for 5 second. I won't let any of my friends roll my weed up, I am quite particular about how I roll. I hate twisted pregnant joints and ones the run and are loosely rolled. It ruins the whole smoking experience if someone doesn't roll right.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7326084 - 08/23/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Haha, the only time I smoke blunts is with my wigger friend :smile:

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    #7326090 - 08/23/07 02:48 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I hear you on that. Unfortunatly every year this time of year it gets rather dry and you see a little weed like that. I got some crap that was 500 a half pound and it fit into one normal sandwich bag ( not a freezer bag a sandwich bag ), needless to say that got turned into almost 200 brownies to last me for a while.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7326188 - 08/23/07 03:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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PS:Blunts are for wiggers only.








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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7326203 - 08/23/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

This reminds me of a technique I would use sometimes when I would smoke joints by myself:

I would get a bag of some really good bud. The kind of shit with beautiful crystals that smells like a bag of blueberries.

Then I would get a bigger bag of some mid-grade shit. Not the amazing shit, but definitely far from dirt. The kind of shit with some good red hairs, but not a ton of crystals. Maybe 3 to 10 seeds per quarter.

Then I would chop up a few hits worth of the diesel shit, and the better part of a joint-worth of the mid-grade, and roll that shit up. That way, I could casually smoke 1/2 a joint by myself. It still tasted great, and I would still get really blazed, without having to burn up a ton of really expensive bud while I wasn't toking it.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7326237 - 08/23/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Generally:

1- Weed tastes a million times better than tobacco. Especially high-quality bud. Even if it's good tobacco.

2- Tobacco is far worse for you, especially if you hold hits in like weed. I tend to hold my hits for a long time, and a lot of American smokers I have known do as well.

3- Joints aren't that wasteful if you're smoking in a group. With 3 or more people, the thing is being hit and passed more or less constantly.

4- If you roll it right, it burns slower, as has been mentioned.

5- Lots of people prefer smoking from pipes or bongs. That would normally be my preferred method, especially when alone. Virtually no waste.

6- Most importantly... when I smoke, I smoke to get quite high. I prefer to feel so stoned I'm almost tripping. How high I get typically has to do with how quickly a given amount of the drug enters my bloodstream. Large hits of pure marijuana smoke is just about the best way to achieve this. If I only want to get slightly stoned, I only take a couple smaller hits.

There are way too many reasons to list, and most of them have been said repeatedly in this thread. It just seems that there are a lot of benefits to smoking it pure, and less to smoking a mix, IMO.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #7326265 - 08/23/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Ok. But then why do they mix mj with tobacco in Europe?

Weed isn't in short supply, worst quality or more expensive than in the US. The same as in the US there is places that it is cheaper or better quality than others but I'm talking in avarage here.

In fact, we don't get any of that nasty mexican brick stuff and people are very selective on getting only buds here, not even the leaves around the buds.

So i don't go with the saving weed theory. Also we roll huge joint compared to yours, so in the end they contain the same amount of weed.

So why is it done?

Is it the influece due to smoking hash 8which is smoked with tobacco), of which we get a lot of as we are closer to hashish producing areas such as northern africa?

Is it because we prefer the mellower smoke of weed mixed with tobacco compared to you wanting a high fast?

Is it because tobacco is hugely frowned upon in the US compared to here? (even though tabacco laws are stricter in Europe I seem to find Americans more prejudiced against tabacco smokers than in Europe, probably because you are ahead of us in the acceptance that tabacco is really bad shit)?

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: TM]
    #7326301 - 08/23/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Good* weed deserves to have its taste enjoyed all by itself.

Mediocre* weed needs to be mixed with tobacco to improve its flavor.

Good weed:



Mixing good* (quality weed) with tobacco is sacrilege!

Mediocre weed (or worse):






Who would mix tobacco with schwag?!?! I smoke joints I love em! I smoke spliffs. I smoke spliffs because weed that is crazy good costs a hundo for 4.5 a bat hit would do the trick but i smoke and love J's. Good weed still tastes good with tobac..... Good weed lasts a lot longer mixed. I'm a smoker..... If I start a joint of straight weed, i wouldn't be doing much all day. Smoking a bowl packs wurth with a pinch of tobacco stretches it out or me. I can smoke a few hits put it out. I can also walk down the street or drive down the road and it helps mask the scent a bit.

Shit ain't cheap so I like to stretch it.

Non tobacco smokers will never understand.

Schwag shouldn't be smoked period! If smoked atleast in blunts to help hide the horrible taste.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #7326337 - 08/23/07 04:00 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)




I can't believe anybody anywhere would smoke that. Is that the Mexican Brick weed Americans are always talking about?


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    #7326354 - 08/23/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Gads, me and a few friends had a grocery bag half-full of that shit for free when we bought a bunch of acid once.

You can't even load bowls with that stuff. More like scooping it up out of the bag...but it was nice to have a shitload of weed during the ensuing epic acid trip.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7326355 - 08/23/07 04:05 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

no that's not weed....that would be dirt. that would be the low of low. I have probably only seen shit that bad one time, and I doubt it was even that bad. Most middle grade weed I see is still green and in nugget form. But yeah, I guess that would be ultimate most extreme example of schwag.

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    #7326366 - 08/23/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Some friends and I got some terrible weed once... it was brown bust still in nug-form. We ate a KFC mega meal and smoked bowl after bowl of that shit. What a bunch of sad faces. It was even worse than having no weed at all.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7326377 - 08/23/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Look at all those seeds. Must smell of fried chicken when you burn that stuff, lol.

If I get a single seed in my weed I never buy off that guy again. Luckily you don't see it often here.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7326390 - 08/23/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Everyonce in a while I will find seeds in my bud, but very rarely. And it's like 1 in an 1/8. It's not that big of a deal with me as long as it doesn't happen regularly.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7326393 - 08/23/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I've smoked with and without tobacco, Some of the better bud I enjoy the taste of and don't want tobacco interfering with it.

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    #7326458 - 08/23/07 04:30 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

i think its funny how pot heads around where i live kiss their dealers ass. They will buy some lousy shit, complain about it all night, run out and go back to the same guy.

if people had any control over themselves instead of being little junkie potheads, all weed would be seedless at least.

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    #7326602 - 08/23/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

im from aussie and i smoke straight bud most of the time, i like bud not tobacco, so i smoke bud not tobacco

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    #7326609 - 08/23/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

So what is the common thing to do in OZ Psilobud? Do people pick'n mix or smoke it straight?

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    #7326681 - 08/23/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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PS:Blunts are for wiggers only.



Shit Ill blaze a blunt and base that shit at the stop light and Im whiter than white, I dont even like blunts because im frugal with my dookie but they increase my street cred. with my black friends.

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i think its funny how pot heads around where i live kiss their dealers ass. They will buy some lousy shit, complain about it all night, run out and go back to the same guy.


Its become quite obvious thru your posts that you`re old, so what generation are you referring to? IME that is untrue, Everyone Ive seen will laugh in yur face and talk shit about the crap weed you get. if not slap you for your bobby brown.

4 ounces of south american "Brick weed":
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7326820 - 08/23/07 06:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I can't believe anybody anywhere would smoke that. Is that the Mexican Brick weed Americans are always talking about?




yeah but thats just bad!

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #7327984 - 08/23/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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I love how this thread has split into 4 tangents:

  • Potsmokers talking about tobacco vs no tobacco in joints
  • Potsmokers hating on that brick weed picture
  • Americans whining about getting stereotyped
  • Some shit about hookahs



Good shit.





:lol: definitely, i just like pot. a cigarette here and now isn't bad, and if i had some top of the line tobacco, not TOP tobacco, i might do it. Maybe the thing with a lot of the people in america (NOT ALL AMERICANS, not even a majority, just a lot) is that the majority of the tobacco we can buy to roll is not that good at all. I bet it'd be nice with some quality tobacco.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328022 - 08/23/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I smoke weed by itself because I think tobacco's disgusting and I hate the buzz it gives you.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: slackophage]
    #7328563 - 08/24/07 03:03 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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Gads, me and a few friends had a grocery bag half-full of that shit for free when we bought a bunch of acid once.

You can't even load bowls with that stuff. More like scooping it up out of the bag...but it was nice to have a shitload of weed during the ensuing epic acid trip.




Haha, I usually got it in a grocery bag. What a coincidence.

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328705 - 08/24/07 05:10 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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So what is the common thing to do in OZ Psilobud? Do people pick'n mix or smoke it straight?

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well about 90% of my mates spin it ( in sydney ) and about about 60% of my mates spin it in byron bay coffs harbour area :laugh:

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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: ralphroks]
    #7328715 - 08/24/07 05:17 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

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PS:Blunts are for wiggers only.



Shit Ill blaze a blunt and base that shit at the stop light and Im whiter than white, I dont even like blunts because im frugal with my dookie but they increase my street cred. with my black friends.




hahahahaha

That's exactly what he was talking about.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328720 - 08/24/07 05:21 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I dislike tobacco. Plus it's a lot worse for your lungs when you mix it.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
    #7328733 - 08/24/07 05:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Spots


Any of you smoked weed using the technique called spots?


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328739 - 08/24/07 05:43 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

"Brick weed" is brick weed because.. well.. it's compressed into a brick. (For smuggling purposes)
Ala:
Even though that is a worst case scenario. That is just some straight up nasty dirt weed. Although I have seen and smoked shit like that before, I never really enjoyed it. But it was all that was available... and dirt weed is better than no weed.
Marijuana loses potency when you compress it at all, especially if you start with some shitty weed to begin with. Throw in high temps and light/air exposure and it gets even worse. Most of the stuff that looks like that does in fact come straight from Mexico, with little to no regard for the potency or quality of the bud. Hell they don't even bother to separate males from females half the time. I've gotten shit before that's like 75% seeds and stems.

As for why Americans don't mix their weed with tobacco.. well all the reasons have already been stated in this thread. 1. Good weed is expensive 2. Most people think tobacco ruins the taste 3. We like to get high fast, at least I do. 4. We hold our pot smoke in for longer. I don't know about you but I don't hold tobacco smoke in, I inhale and exhale. That shit is bad enough for you as it is.
The prevalence of Europeans mixing tobacco with bud probably is due to the more laid back attitude towards pot there, as well as it generally being cheaper and more readily available. And yeah I don't know what kind of rolly tobacco you get there but the shit here is usually crappy tobacco and laced with chemicals, unless you buy good shit. I don't think American's are more against tobacco though... we are maybe more self-righteous about its use but to me it seems like freaking 70% of the population smokes tobacco. We just like our weed to taste like weed.
Also it's worth noting, I don't think joints are usually the preferred method of smoking. In groups of people maybe. But bowls, bongs, and blunts are all much more common in my experience. Also, in groups of people where joints are more common.. there is almost always at least one person that doesn't smoke tobacco, and the other half doesn't like how it ruins the pure taste of the bud. Most people like to taste the weed they just paid $400 an ounce for, or whatever ridiculous price most people pay.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7328756 - 08/24/07 06:04 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> And yeah I don't know what kind of rolly tobacco you get there but the shit here is usually crappy tobacco and laced with chemicals,

Around here, they use funta (sp? sounds like foon-ta when they say it). The stuff is full leaves of tobacco. The pull a leaf out and heat it up with the flame from a lighter to dry it out before crumbling it into the cannabis.

When I asked a rasta guy why they mix in the tobacco, he said it is so they can still function after smoking. In a nutshell, according to local culture, pure ganja equates to lazy pothead while tobacco+ganja equates to mellow worker.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328768 - 08/24/07 06:16 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I have definitely heard that theory before.. not from many americans. I'm not sure if I buy it though.. I understand the theory behind it.. dilute the weed basically. But I can't really tell a big difference in the high between a joint with tobacco and one without. Except maybe adding a tobacco buzz to the high. Then again, being a smoker.. I tend to crave a cigarette immediately after getting high.

But then again most people I know don't even smoke joints unless it's a special occasion.. 95% of the time it's gonna be a bowl/bong with me or the people I smoke with. Conserves weed and allows you to smoke as much as you need. And I can rarely smoke an entire joint to myself.. usually I'll just take like 5 or 6 hits and put it out for later. But I consider joints to be a waste of pot especially when glass is everywhere.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328786 - 08/24/07 06:30 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Also, I've never been out of mainland North America.. so I'm not too familiar with the smoking rituals of other countries although I have smoked with many people from other countries.. there seems to be a major difference. Americans tend to want to get high fast - it is more often than not, a quick ordeal.. pack a few bowls.. pass it around.. everyone gets high.. good.. great. Play video games or whatever.
Whereas most Europeans and even Canadians, it seems to be a more passive social thing where you kick back and take your time. I mean don't get me wrong it's a social thing here too, but usually the only time we're smoking all night is if 1. It's at a festival 2. We're a bunch of chronic potheads.. which I am.. but you can only get so stoned.
I don't know this is a really interesting topic to me for some reason. I like pothead sociology? and comparing different cultures.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7328791 - 08/24/07 06:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

> I'm not sure if I buy it though..

I don't know either. I don't care for tobacco, so I never mix the two. Like you, I find joints to be very wasteful and typically smoke out of a bowl. I can take one or two hits without wasting the rest. This way, a single bowl can be nursed throughout the day, maintaining a slight mellow buzz and still being able to accomplish tasks as well.


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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Nibin]
    #7328799 - 08/24/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah exactly, whereas if you are nursing a joint all day you're going to be wasting a lot of it between all that lost smoke and putting it out constantly.


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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7328869 - 08/24/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

Because I like to get super ripped, lol. Honestly, I smoke alone as often as I smoke in groups. Besides, in the case of smoking weed, it's the destination, not the journey.

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Re: Why do they smoke weed on it's own in America? [Re: Shroomism]
    #7328912 - 08/24/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 6 months ago)

I would never hit something that looked like that.


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