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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7325126 - 08/23/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Euros dont put tobacco in their weed; they put weed in their tobacco. They smoke them just like cigs.
So back in the day in europe all the tobacco was imported and very expensive as an import. Then the king of the local euro state would tax it heavily. So euros started mixing weed or hemp which was cheaper than tobacco, to cut their cig. expense down. Ive seen paintings of what look like the 3 musketeers rolling tobacco/hemp cigarettes from old amsterdam.
Then In America people would cut their weed with tobacco to extend their weed supply, "jazz cigarettes". mixing weed with tobacco probably died with the hippies in America IMO. Why would you want to mix your weed with tobacco is the question. Tobacco is harsh and tastes like shit and ruins your weed. but I guess if you`re a hippy or a 3musketeer in the netherlands and all you can get is hemp to smoke.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325138 - 08/23/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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"We Americans" do not just smoke joints. "We Americans" invest in things called pipes and vaporizers. And to mix half and half tobacco/weed on a 2 foot bong isn't going to feel the greatest on your lungs. Not to mention tobacco is downright disgusting in any form ( cig, pipe, bong, vaporizer ), and a waste of time/money/health.
"We americans" like to conserve our weed and only take a couple hits at a time, get high, and ride it out til later on, when I can take a couple more hits, and get high again. The amount of weed you throw in a joint or a blunt, I can get high off 3-5 times in one day out of my vape or my bong.....silly Americans.
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I'm not judging or saying one method is better than the other, I'm just trying to state facts
Can I get a reference to where you got all these "facts" from.
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Hmmm post seems successful.
You have successfully made yourself look like a prententious biased "I'm better than you" european. You aren't so blatently saying " you americans smoke weed like wasteful assholes", just saying your "methods" are better? I garauntee you'll find tons of "americans" smoking half and half joints, tons of "europeans" getting smashed in 10 minutes and smoking blunts, stereotyping people is just, well, ignorant.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: ralphroks]
#7325142 - 08/23/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hate tobacco with my weed... Hell I don't even smoke it, I vaporize my weed. And I don't smoke tobacco anymore either.
But... I don't just get stoned off weed alone, I usually drink a few porters and stouts as well every night when I'm takin' my sleep toke.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Asante]
#7325144 - 08/23/07 10:25 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love it how all europians steriotype americans....
That is a stereotype, because you're saying "all Europeans" thereby generalizing.
What I did is point out trends I see among populations. Thats a different thing. I also pointed out trends I see among the Dutch.
That is a stereotype, because you're saying "all Europeans" thereby generalizing.
That was the point, if you noticed when I said that it was in italics with a icon at the end...i was trying to be sarcastic over the intraweb.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: sublimistri]
#7325176 - 08/23/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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sublimistri said: Ii like my tobacco after weed
Nuthin in the world better than a cig after some good tokin' Pure weed is the way to go, roll up a blunt, joint, or just pack the bong.. I'll admit sometimes it's nice to smoke a tobacco mixed joint - but its just not on par with good old mary jane!
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
#7325185 - 08/23/07 10:37 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Its very hard to convey sarcasm over the Interwebz:)
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: daytripper05]
#7325214 - 08/23/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey, I'm not trying to be offensive.
Just curious. That is why I am asking "you Americans" what it is YOU do so I can get a look at the bigger picture.
The first time I came across it it surprised me.
Weed in Europe is very available and as in all places isn't expensive if you know where to get it and is very expensive if you don't (is in short supply) so I don't think the money issue is part of it really, and i know a lot of non smokers that mix tobacco with their weed and hash.
I had some american friends over not long ago and they were outstanded at the quality of the weed I was getting at 2 euros a gram (about 60 euros or 80 dollars an ounce). It just depends on your sources.
But they didn't get the concept of us sitting down with a couple of bottles of beer and lighting up joints smoking slowly and getting a nice buzz all night long, just talking and hunting about for munchies.
We use bongs and vaporizes also you know but it is true that it isn't an everyday thing. I do think the American Bigger, Faster, Stronger lifestyle does come into play here though.
Vandago, I'm not saying you waste weed or that we smoke it better that you or anything of the sort, I am just genuinely curious as to why it is done as you do it over the other side of the atlantic.
For example I have already realized by what people have posted that you have a more negative stance to tobacco than us (i.e tobacco is gross/causes cancer/tastes nasty/spoils weed) so it is obvious that if that is what you think of tobacco, you would avoid mixing it in with your weed.
EDIT: AS A COUPLE OF PEOPLE SEEM TO HAVE FOUND THE "YOU AMERICANS" BIT OF THE TITLE OFFENSIVE (TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL) I HAVE CHANGED THE TITLE OF THE POST.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325230 - 08/23/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nibin said: A small note for those who say "tabacco causes cancer so I don't mix"
Any kind of smoke entering the lungs can cause cancer, be it tobacco or weed. It isn't the fact that it is tobacco that causes cancer it's the fact that you are breathing the smoke of 30 little burning sticks a day that is causing the cancer.
Okay, by mixing weed with tobacco you will end up breathing more smoke than if you only smoked the same amount of weed alone, that is true, but it isn't the tobacco part alone of the spliff that is causing the cancer.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4363437#4363437 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5356966#5356966
Just a few sources to help clear things up for you. I just did a quick search and these are just a couple of the first relevant hits. There are much more recent articles that say the same thing. The statistics speak for themselves, tobacco causes cancer and kill an estimated 400,000 people a year. And by smoking only weed, 3-4 hits at a time via glass, I limit the amount of smoke into my body to a minimum. And I don't get the carcinogens from the smoldering paper. But besides that, vapos are my favorite way of ingenstion, I just don't own one yet.
But like you say, smoke using your method of choice, nothing wrong with it. But you simply cannot say that smoking tobacco vs weed carries the same health risks.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325238 - 08/23/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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What I'm trying to convey by putting " we americans" in qoutes is saying, why label me as just an american? I'm a human. As are you.
We humans all have different rituals, methods, habits.
I am not about a bigger faster stronger lifestyle, in fact, none of the "americans" I partake with think that way.
I think my shitty government has givin every other country such a biased opinion on how we are as people, when it couldn't be farther from the truth. Just because all the rich fucks in my country own a hummer and drive it through saplings just for kicks, doesn't mean we all do. Just like I'm sure all you europeans aren't prentious enough to single everyone out based on their country, or how movies and government portrays their country/lifestyle.
You should have labeled the post " why do PEOPLE smoke pure weed", and I wouldn't be hopelessly and pointlessly ranting. That's all I'm getting at really, open your mind.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
#7325255 - 08/23/07 10:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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You have successfully made yourself look like a prententious biased "I'm better than you" european. You aren't so blatently saying " you americans smoke weed like wasteful assholes", just saying your "methods" are better? I garauntee you'll find tons of "americans" smoking half and half joints, tons of "europeans" getting smashed in 10 minutes and smoking blunts, stereotyping people is just, well, ignorant.
Nobody was saying all Americans do this, all Europeans do this, he was merely pointing out generalities he has noticed. I have smoked with many Americans, Canadians, and Europeans, and I've noticed similar tendencies.
If you travel you will see all kinds of subtle differences in general attitudes about everything from region to region. Merely identifying these tendencies is does not constitute prejudice or discrimination or judgment. There's nothing to get defensive about. To me it's fascinating, and it's the most exciting part about traveling.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7325271 - 08/23/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes of course there is going to be difference in culture, and yes I'm a grumpy asshole . For some reason people asking groups a question only an individual can answer gets on my nerves. Really my griping is unnecessary, and like I said, pointless, but oh well, that's what the intranet is for eh?
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
#7325311 - 08/23/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If I just paid $60 for an 1/8th of medical weed I'm not gonna get shitty tobacco anywhere near it.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325321 - 08/23/07 11:11 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I totally see where you're coming from. i'm from new york. i'd say a large majority of the people i've come into contact with like to get high fast and drunk fast.. it's not about the whole process of doing it. it's more about the end result. i personally like to take my time and hang out and drink good booz and smoke good pot.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325324 - 08/23/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I like to savor the weed. Tobacco will ruin the flavor. Plus tobacco sucks.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: vandago]
#7325329 - 08/23/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, the thing is, I live in Europe, and seeing people smoke weed on its own in a JOINT is a very very rare thing, and most of the people I know who do it are north or south American. Also, any American friends/people I have met confirm that it is the most common way to make a joint back home (usually with a bleurgh you mix what with your weed? lol)
So that is why I used the word Americans in the post.
It is as if I asked the question Why do all Chinese eat rice? It doesn't have to be a stereotipical question. The answer should be that culturally, except in the northern regions of China where wheat could be grown (and so they could eat noodles or bread) rice was the only staple food that could be grown, so rice became a main ingredient in Chinese cooking. It doesn't mean non Chinese don't eat rice or that eating rice is wrong, it is just a question made towards something that is commonplace in a certain area.
I am not asking why a certain individual of any country smokes weed on it's own I am asking why in America is it commonplace to do so, hence the question.
I also am very aware of the fact that not all americans are all about bigger faster stronger, and I am not saying you or your friends are, but you have to admit that there is a lot of that out there, and they smoke weed on its own also.
I don't want to know why you in particular don't mix I want to know why YOU think America as a general population doesn't tend to mix.
On the cancer side of things:
Using vaporizers, bongs etc reduces the amount of smoke inhaled thanks to eliminating paper/combustion. What I was trying to say is that it is the amount of actual smoke that you inhale that is dangerous, not if that smoke comes from burning tobacco or weed. Obviously the best way to inhale THC is going to be using a vaporizer, where you will have no paper smoke, no tobacco smoke and very little weed smoke to breathe.
Sorry for the amount of bla bla bla folks
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325350 - 08/23/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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If your going to cut us down, at lest get it right. Its the United States of America.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Brainiac]
#7325361 - 08/23/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brainiac said: If your going to cut us down at lest get it right. Its the United States of America, by the way.
Nobody's cutting anyone down.. holy shit. Some of you are looking for a fight, I swear.
BTW if you are going to nitpick someone's post at least spell the word 'least' right.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7325387 - 08/23/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heh, no swinging fists here, just griping for the sake of griping this lovely morning.
But I think the reason a lot of people here like to get high and drunk really fast is because the US as a country is competetive within itself, everyones gotta be richer, more powerful, bigger, like you said. And if you can drink 12 beers instead of 8 beers, in a lot of places ( usually among a younger crowd ) you are more of a hardass and talked about amongst peers. Where as the guy that gets a nice buzz off sipping some beers and a couple hits of weed is a "pussy".
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Brainiac]
#7325391 - 08/23/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brainiac said: If your going to cut us down, at lest get it right. Its the United States of America.
It's not just U.S.A. citizens that smoke weed that like that. I know Canadians, Peruvians, Mexicans, Colombians, Argentinians ... that do it too.
And they are also Americans.
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Re: Why do you Americans smoke weed on it's own? [Re: Nibin]
#7325448 - 08/23/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont get so butthurt about Political correctness, when you know it doesnt hurt anyones feelings and its true, most Americans dont mix tobacco and weed outside of blunts. You`re just using PC as a tool here for alternative agendas of limiting free speech.
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