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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Boots]
    #7329047 - 08/24/07 11:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I believe in some sort of omnipotent being

Do you have any reason to believe in an omnipotent being other than faith?


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Atheist]
    #7330992 - 08/24/07 09:40 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Why does God send tribal people to hell for not following Christ if no missionaries of Christ have ever shared with them Christ's teachings?

How does Santa Claus deliver presents to kids all around the world in one night? And how come my neighbor got the sega genesis when I didn't? We both asked for it and were equally nice the whole year.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: KilroyMilosevik]
    #7332156 - 08/25/07 09:04 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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KilroyMilosevik said:
If there is a higher being; he/she is one sick motherfucker.




I believe it was Voltaire who said, "God is a comedian, playing to an audience too afraid to laugh."

indeed.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Diploid]
    #7332342 - 08/25/07 11:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
I believe in some sort of omnipotent being

Do you have any reason to believe in an omnipotent being other than faith?




Not really.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Boots]
    #7332439 - 08/25/07 11:47 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i tend to think atheists are as intellectually lazy / desprate, as our fundy christian freinds.

im not saying i know anything about any kind of god, but i recognize that there is somthing here and i dont know what it is. even if this is all just a product of evolution, there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature and has created less dense / godly realms of existance that have become a real potential for transcendance.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Archemetis]
    #7332522 - 08/25/07 12:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

but i recognize that there is somthing here and i dont know what it is. even if this is all just a product of evolution, there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature and has created less dense / godly realms of existance that have become a real potential for transcendance.

This kind of baseless, subjective, speculation is what is really lazy. Re-read your post.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Icelander]
    #7332572 - 08/25/07 12:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
but i recognize that there is somthing here and i dont know what it is. even if this is all just a product of evolution, there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature and has created less dense / godly realms of existance that have become a real potential for transcendance.

This kind of baseless, subjective, speculation is what is really lazy. Re-read your post.




Please demonstrate as to how precisely this speculation is "really lazy". :sherlock:

It seems to be a statement that, even as we do not know how this has came to be or the true nature of reality as it is occuring, there is this experience of being human, and it is the most mind-blowing thing of all time. The realization of our present experience and our consciousness and how profound and amazing it is, does not seem to be commonly accessible, so I fail to understand how this acknowledgement as he expressed is "really lazy". :shrug:

The fact that we are presently experiencing reality... its indescribable. Here we are, alive. Wow. :whoah:


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7332628 - 08/25/07 12:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i tend to think atheists are as intellectually lazy / desprate, as our fundy christian freinds.

This was in response to this statement. IMO it's lazy to just speculate without providing some evidence to base it upon. Now I would have let that go except for his statement about atheists which is IMO, ignorant.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Archemetis]
    #7332659 - 08/25/07 01:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature

Right. That must be why we still have to eat, like the rest of the animals, and shit, like the rest of the animals, and sweat, and fight, and cry, and suffer, and feel pain, and die, like the rest of the animals.

I keep saying this, but the the True Believers never see the parallel that they're doing the same thing the Catholics did when they insisted that the stars and the sun revolve around the Earth. They thought that the Earth was somehow special and placed at the center of God's universe.

When Galileo tried to show them the truth in his telescope, they imprisoned him for life and destroyed his telescope.

Now that we know the true nature of our planet's orbit, we invent a NEW silly idea. The Earth isn't special any more, BUT WAIT, we humans are special compared to the rest of the animals! Yeah, that's it! :rolleyes:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Icelander]
    #7332664 - 08/25/07 01:11 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So which evidence do atheists, in general, base their speculation that there is no g*d upon?


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7332674 - 08/25/07 01:14 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Lack of evidence.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Diploid]
    #7332675 - 08/25/07 01:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature

Right. That must be why we still have to eat, like the rest of the animals, and shit, like the rest of the animals, and sweat, and fight, and cry, and suffer, and feel pain, and die, like the rest of the animals.

I keep saying this, but the the True Believers never see the parallel that they're doing the same thing the Catholics did when they insisted that the stars and the sun revolve around the Earth. They thought that the Earth was somehow special and placed at the center of God's universe.

When Galileo tried to show them the truth in his telescope, they imprisoned him for life and destroyed his telescope.

Now that we know the true nature of our planet's orbit, we invent a NEW silly idea. The Earth isn't special any more, BUT WAIT, we humans are special compared to the rest of the animals! Yeah, that's it! :rolleyes:




:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Icelander]
    #7332684 - 08/25/07 01:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Lack of evidence.




Then their beliefs are unsubstantiated. :shrug:

A belief that g*d exists is just as substantiated as the belief that g*d doesn't exist, as neither are evidenced. :sorry:


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7332689 - 08/25/07 01:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't be sorry, you can't help it.

That's my point. If he's calling one lazy then his POV has to be also.:tongue:


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Icelander]
    #7332708 - 08/25/07 01:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ahh, but you used the word "really" to assert a hierarchy of laziness amongst the viewpoints. :smirk: Also, you asserted that his view on athiests in comparison to fundamental Christians was ignorant. :strokebeard:


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I wouldn't fear
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Like being here
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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7332741 - 08/25/07 01:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I do think that atheists are fundamentally more introspective and logical in their beliefs. Being one myself I can honestly say I don't know because there isn't evidence either way. A fundamentalist says I don't have evidence but I know this to be true. IMO any logical person can see difference.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Diploid]
    #7333436 - 08/25/07 05:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Right. That must be why we still have to eat, like the rest of the animals, and shit, like the rest of the animals, and sweat, and fight, and cry, and suffer, and feel pain, and die, like the rest of the animals.




Pigs, dogs, dolphins and bacteria do not sweat.

*Bzzzzzzzt!* Try again.


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7333512 - 08/25/07 06:19 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

OrgoneConclusion said:


Pigs, dogs, dolphins and bacteria do not sweat.

*Bzzzzzzzt!* Try again.




They must be god... :shocked:


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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Diploid]
    #7333514 - 08/25/07 06:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

Diploid said:
there is somthing about humanity it seems that has risen above nature

Right. That must be why we still have to eat, like the rest of the animals, and shit, like the rest of the animals, and sweat, and fight, and cry, and suffer, and feel pain, and die, like the rest of the animals.

I keep saying this, but the the True Believers never see the parallel that they're doing the same thing the Catholics did when they insisted that the stars and the sun revolve around the Earth. They thought that the Earth was somehow special and placed at the center of God's universe.

When Galileo tried to show them the truth in his telescope, they imprisoned him for life and destroyed his telescope.

Now that we know the true nature of our planet's orbit, we invent a NEW silly idea. The Earth isn't special any more, BUT WAIT, we humans are special compared to the rest of the animals! Yeah, that's it! :rolleyes:




:thumbup:




I really enjoy reading your posts. Both of you guys actually, have the exact same view as me.

IMO atheists are somewhat rare in the US,
and when people discuss "God" I seriously have to keep my mouth shut and hold my opinions, people dont like atheists

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
So which evidence do atheists, in general, base their speculation that there is no g*d upon?




One year ago I was full on Catholic. I loved Jesus, God and believed in the Holy Spirit.

One day I stepped back and said: wow, maybe this shit isnt real. From that day, i've been a different person.

Becoming an atheist has made me appreciate life so much, because I know this is the only life I get.
There is no heaven/hell, and no afterlife.

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
The fact that we are presently experiencing reality... its indescribable. Here we are, alive. Wow. :whoah:




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Re: Fellow Atheists / Agnostics [Re: Atheist]
    #7333524 - 08/25/07 06:22 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It just sounds crazy. And church, people who pray, and Jesus scare me. He's a creepy guy for someone who "loves me so much".


Quantum Physics/String Theory FTW!!


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