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(I'm only mentioning that I'm a retired cop lately because I'm looking for a discount on my breakfast).
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 breathingofmist
The shadowwarrior, and thewarrior's shadow
Registered: 03/23/02
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 Re: How Old are we  [Re: ]
#742543 - 07/12/02 06:14 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whatever works. It's all about the love...still.
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 Zen Peddler
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Just turned 25 actually - started tripping at birth
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MarkostheGnostic
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 Re: How Old are we [Re: ]
#743345 - 07/13/02 07:40 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're ridiculous. File under disregard.
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Markos
Noooo, this is ridiculous...
>"Teenagers do NOT grasp the 'spiritual' implications of psychedelics because the transrational, transpersonal dimension follows the attainment of cognitive development which they have not achieved yet. "<
File THAT under disregard!
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nickleback9528
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Re: How Old are we [Re: ]
#744438 - 07/13/02 08:51 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, um, markos, speaking as one of the "un-enlightend" teenagers, i think you need to chill, and your deffinetly not getting through to us... let us deal with our own stuff, people arent irresponsible jsut because theyre young. Some young people do mushrooms to just get "fucked up", and this is the kind of person you should be speaking to... it is however entierly possible to be a responsible young person, even if you werent. I manage my drug habbits, i quit a 12-15 session a day habbit of bud because im training for football (started over 2 months ago), and ive put off drinking untill after my thanksgiving game (bud i will not return to). Mushrooms are a great way to explore you mind from what ive experianced, and i would like to continue to do so without people like you getting on my back about me being a mindless teenager
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MarkostheGnostic
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Read the post again. The "mindlessly" reference was not to teenagers. Congratulations if you have mastered a compulsive cannabis habit, and a budding alcohol habit. My reference was perhaps not for you. On the other hand, compulsive use and addiction are in effect the same obstacle to freedom and health.
With regard to "getting through to us," you can only speak for yourself, and perhaps for those teens who agree with you here, which would probably be ALL of them. I do in fact have a good number of people who contact me privately through this forum when entertainment or amusement has turned into a clinical disorder. They are not teenagers. You will discover through your own exploration what the results are of your own specific habits. Those are your choices - it's your life. I'm not interested in controlling people. BTW, I was not a reckless kid, but a 'junior scientist,' who researched carefully and experimented cautiously whether in the home lab, or in my mind-body. Now, I am a person with 30 years of entheogenic experimentation, and 20 years of post-doctoral clinical experience, but you don't Have to listen to or learn anything from me. There is much I can and do learn from teenagers whom I work with daily, but if I say something, I know what I'm talking about. No bullshit here. See ya.
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pseudosage
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 Re: How Old are we [Re: Ripple]
#745365 - 07/14/02 11:44 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't read all this post, but it looks like I have some peers here. I'm 48. Did sugar cube acid under the watchful (?) eyes of some hippies in 1967, and went to a 'anti-war' demonstration in downtown Cleveland, OH. I've logged quite alot of 'space travel' since then, and I'm pretty much on permanent vacation now, which is almost a good thing, since they don't make it like they used to!
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Trypica
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Registered: 06/16/02
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First, to answer the question... I'm 27
Markos, you ever read "the medium is the massage"? what you are saying isn't so bad, the advice you have isn't bad, but the delivery is a bit harsh... generalizing because in a forum like this no one would read something broken down into specifics, preaching to the choir, and at the same time, being a wee bit antagonistic.
hopefully, the people that you are speaking of, may at some point pay more attention to the message than the delivery...
.sigs are for the gay... ("THE gay? that's an awful lot of pressure to put on 1 guy!")
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: How Old are we [Re: Trypica]
#747053 - 07/15/02 02:59 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll take your criticism into consideration. It seems I've become more than a tad impatient with those who are stupid and reckless; who don't listen and then get hurt. Now, this is not even the majority of posters here, but understand that prevention is a whole lot more helpful than cure. There is a HUGE difference across the board, developmentally, between an average 14 year old and an 18 year old. The differences are more profound in that segment of the time line than say, between 18 and 22. I work with kids who give birth at age 12, and adolescent substance abusers who sometimes die, and after 16 years at this, one really does become impatient and frustrated, so I aplolgize to the young and prepared. However, we just do not skip over developmental processes, and even though we believe we are 'mature,' along certain lines, the fact remains that some very critical growing has to be completed before doing psychedelics. A Saturn V rocket absolutely requires a sturdy and stable launch scaffold for liftoff. Collapse of the launching pad would be catastrophic. Analagously, an intentional weakening of the ego - one's unified cognitive, affective, social, identity - before it's strong enough, with psychedelics, is likewise catastophic to psychological health. I've just seen too many kids get damaged - even when I was the same age as them in high school - we called them 'acid casualties.'
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FreakQlibrium
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Registered: 06/06/02
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Loc: Toronto Canada
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"A Saturn V rocket absolutely requires a sturdy and stable launch scaffold for liftoff. Collapse of the launching pad would be catastrophic. Analagously, an intentional weakening of the ego - one's unified cognitive, affective, social, identity - before it's strong enough, with psychedelics, is likewise catastophic to psychological health."<=============excellent analogy man 
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gnrm23
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tim leary was in cleveland heights maybe 12-15 years ago... & somebody asked about kids & psychedelics...
& he said it's prolly not a good idea for teenagers to be dosing on acid, & it's also prolly not a good idea for them to be flying a fighter jet...so ya, there may be some stuff you gotta get accomplished first before you head off into the wild blue yonder,,, and it will generally take about as long to get the neccessary preliminaries outa the way as it does to "grow up"...
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i've tried to tell my kids & their friends something like : it is not a contest to see who can consume the most drugs before you turn 21; if you pace yourselves (& learn to be ummmmm discrete), you can prolly get as deep into it as you want over the next several decades... (but if if try to do too much too soon, or crash & burn too obviously, you may not make it to 21...)
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oh, and since they couldn't seem to manage a simple graduation party with goin' down in (legal) flames, ya gotta figure the qt acid party just isn't gonna happen on my watch... can still consult the literature & check out the websites, but i don't feel i can be involved in any capacity other than advisory (feeling the scrutiny of the man still focused on a dotted line painted on my neck...)
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quoth bart simpson "an underacheiver and proud of it !"
hmmmm...
been there, done that... wished for more for mein kinder, ja...
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Ripple
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Re: How Old are we [Re: pseudosage]
#747723 - 07/15/02 09:21 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes there are more of us "old guys" than I expected! and they don't make anything like they used to!
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Ripple
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Markos,
When I started this post I had no idea that this kind of thought provoking discussion would develop. I for one totally understand what you are saying. Having said that, I’m 44 years old with two teenage kids and consider myself very lucky to have survived my own teenage years. Many of my close friends were not so lucky. But I still remember the 16-year-old rebel that knew better than everyone and listened to nobody! I respect the message that you’re trying to convey however you’re talking to a tough audience. If they are members of this community and have experienced the effects of mushrooms and other drugs, that makes them even tougher because of the knowledge that they have gained. As they say a little knowledge can be dangerous. All I will venture to do is wish them all the best of luck!
Keep on Shining
Ripple
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 Re: How Old are we [Re: Ripple]
#748023 - 07/15/02 11:05 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am 21 did my first acid when i was 19.
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CosmicJoke
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Re: How Old are we [Re: gnrm23]
#748511 - 07/15/02 02:56 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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heheh, but at least leary said he'd tell his children "just say no, thank you."
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If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.
It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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PurpleSpidereye
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MarkostheGnostic
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Thanks.
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MarkostheGnostic
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Re: How Old are we [Re: Ripple]
#748803 - 07/15/02 04:42 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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So...all you think you were doing is making a simple inquiry into the age range, huh? Well, it is a touchy topic that evolved - the proverbial generation gap. Yet, it is paradoxical. My parents' generation would become hysterical about the dread LSD, as they learned from magazines and the first Dragnet (1966) TV show since the 50's. Here, I'm saying, "wait til you're older." Mature adult human specimens are qualitatively different from immature specimens, and there are pros and cons to both. The unbridled energy of youth usually doesn't possess the patience to guide that energy, and the experience accrued from age isn't valued by youth, but the elder's loss of energy is viewed with disdain or contempt. Well, I don't have 14 hour marathon love-making sessions on acid anymore, but I became a better lover in my 40's than when I was in my 20's.
I'm glad I grew up during the years that I did, and I did listen to my 'elders' - The Beatles, Tim Leary, Ram Dass, the pre-Socratic philosophers, Plato and Jesus, to name the biggest names. And...I'm still listening. So, thanks for your support, as well as for initiating this sometimes emotional interaction. -MtG
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nugsarenice
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well, i guess you may be right, but my view is that when your young, their is no "ego" to interfere with the trip.
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