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OfflinejustAkid
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Tolerate Intolerance
    #7303085 - 08/16/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

It's funny to hear people speak on behalf of equality for every diverse group or individual. To hear those people preach about being tolerant and then immediately turn around and be totally intolerant towards the "intolerant".

Do you think this hyprocrisy occurs to them as it spills out their intolerant mouths?

Does it not then occur to them that even they, who pride themselves in their tolerant nature, are in fact intolerant?

When will they realize that cannot expect everyone to live in this ideal world of tolerance if the great leaders of tolerance are intolerant of intolerance?


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7303096 - 08/16/07 11:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Are you not being intolerant of those who do not tolerate intolerance by making this topic?

Er, therefore making you intolerant of intolerance.

Edited by paradox_ (08/16/07 11:24 PM)

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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: paradox_]
    #7303111 - 08/16/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

he does not pose to take a stance

but anywhere you stand you know, there are different views

then you move and stand somewhere else and look at where you were standing differently

i would kind of like to stand on ............................

well something funny was supposed to go in place of the ellipsis.

i would like to stand inside love.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: leery11]
    #7303123 - 08/16/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

it's all a matter of position it seems.

don't worry about where others stand, stand true on your ground.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: paradox_]
    #7303198 - 08/16/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I know I'm intolerant.

As far as the title goes, I just wanted to tell people who believe they are tolerant that they must also be tolerant of intolerance if they are to be truly tolerant.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7303291 - 08/17/07 12:11 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

And then? :smirk:


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7303316 - 08/17/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

This will never happen because the objective of the tolerant is to abolish intolerance.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7303328 - 08/17/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

But let's say the tolerant tolerate intolerance. Intolerance remains. Tolerance remains a fantasy.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7303355 - 08/17/07 12:36 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Tolerance remains a fantasy as well as intolerance remains a fantasy... that if you wish to report them to their absolutes.
Nobody is totally tolerant or intolerant.
However, the measures differ and if we decide to analyze and compare person X to person Y, one would be able to say which of them is more tolerant. And why. And which cases. (the list could go on because there are a multitude of variables)

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Intolerance remains. Tolerance remains a fantasy.




Can you elaborate on that?

From what I see, of we were to use your way of reasoning, both of them are just fantasy, for the reasons I stated earlier.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7303452 - 08/17/07 01:13 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

tolerance is something friends and family must have in order for peace.

but when you are friends with someone, that means telling them when they are being obnoxious or wrong.

tolerance doesn't mean bottling things up on behalf of an intolerable jerk.

if you are too tolerant, then people will walk all over you, and you aren't assisting them in growth.
being intolerant does has the same effect, it doesn't allow friends & family to grow and change.

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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7303469 - 08/17/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

your thoughts remind me of what i was thinking a year or two ago.

I've changed since then though.

the problem with that thinking is that, if the tolerant...were to tolerate intolerance....then it would impede further tolerance. tolerance to me means accepting and respecting individuals/groups differences. but when an individual or group infringes upon another's freedom in an unacceptable manor (violence, slander, any other crimes) it would be unwise to let it slide.

Tolerance is good only if you have Intolerance.

Are you suggesting the tolerant should tolerate murderers, rapists, racists, price-gouging companies, or any unethical behavior?

I consider myself to be very Tolerant....and I do not EXPECT anyone to be tolerant.
I've realized that people will continue to behave in an eradicate unpredictable way for a long time. Expectations themselves are bad for you. Being able to count on someone or something like that is different than an expectation.

because i can't expect people to be tolerant...i know that some will be intolerant, and intolerance can not be tolerated. it's a perplexity....just like math is only a theory....and sometimes the greatest peacemakers are the number of nuclear weapons you have in your warehouse.....deterrent.

Tolerating to me...means allowing to happen....
you can tolerate good behaviors...but why would anyone in their right mind tolerate very bad behaviors?

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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7303538 - 08/17/07 02:03 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

but when you are friends with someone, that means telling them when they are being obnoxious or wrong.




I wouldn't call that tolerance or intolerance simply because it already has a name. It's called honesty.
Anyways, what I wanted to find out from the original poster was why (and how) he came to the conclusion that tolerance is just an illusion while intolerance wins...
I think that this kind of mentality can have very negative and confusing effects because it's a distorted way of presenting reality since none of them exist in absolute quantities.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7303571 - 08/17/07 02:15 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

but you need to walk on it too otherwise you will get pretty tired just standing there all the time and want to move, and that's okay... its what legs are for.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7306792 - 08/18/07 05:18 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"It's called honesty."
Tolerating honesty ? :smile:

If one is honest with oneself, one can hurt others, which they might not tolerate.
Nice twist, but it's better to let them know what's in one's mind, even if it might hurt them. That's what friends are for.
I wouldn't tolerate dishonesty :smile:

So, where are honesty and tolerance meeting ?
Maybe it needs some kind of tolerance to be hoest with oneself ? It surely needs tolerance to handle other's honesty !

Intolerance is just some ego, playing tricks in our minds :wink:


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7306850 - 08/18/07 06:51 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Intolerance begins where belief starts. For example, I believe 2 + 2 = 4. I am not tolerant of those who say 2 + 2 = 5 or = 4.1 or = 4.0000001. It is a given that belief rests in things that are believed to be true. No one is going to believe in something they know is false.

Everyone is intolerant depending on where their belief begins. For those who say they are not tolerant of the intolerant, they themselves are intolerant, intolerant of the intolerant. This is hypocritical.

Pure tolerance is not a virtue, it only exists in those who have no beliefs, which is impossible, since everyone believes something, whether they want to admit to it or not.

What drives the hatred of the intolerant; could it be an underlying hatred for absolute truth?

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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: fivepointer]
    #7306871 - 08/18/07 07:14 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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What drives the hatred of the intolerant; could it be an underlying hatred for absolute truth?




There is no absolute truth so this couldn't be the case...
Keep searching :sherlock:


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7307638 - 08/18/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

you know....your statement sounds pretty absolute to me.

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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: TameMe]
    #7308257 - 08/18/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Please elaborate on your idea and explain it.
Anyone can play with words and you just did that. It doesn't prove any point though.


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7308343 - 08/18/07 06:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:smirk:


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Re: Tolerate Intolerance [Re: justAkid]
    #7308405 - 08/18/07 06:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I think almost everyone needs to utilize a dictionary to determine exactly what tolerance means, to begin with. Shall I quote the relevant defintion? :sherlock:

Quote:


a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own.




I repeatedly observe people stating that, if one were tolerant of those who are intolerant, or hold intolerant views, that this would somehow mean that intolerance would flourish.

:what:

This doesn't make any sense. Tolerance has less to do with the views themselves or the people who hold them, and much more to do with accepting the nature of the fact that people hold different viewpoints, even if these viewpoints are ignorant of the nature of reality or potentially damaging to themselves, to others, or to reality.

Being tolerant means realizing that, quite naturally, different individuals, leading different courses through reality, come to form different ideas and perspectives, and there is nothing that can immediately change that. Tolerance is a matter of respecting the nature of reality.

Being tolerant of intolerance, or of anything, doesn't necessitate that intolerance lies unchecked, and that it will subsequently flourish. I'd love for any poster to demonstrate to me otherwise, beyond simply asserting its truth.

For example, let's say we all have a friend that holds the perspective that tulips are intolerable. Our friend despises the sight of tulips in gardens, and will avoid gazing upon them at all cost. Now, tell me, how is being intolerant of his intolerance affecting any change in regards to his intolerance?

What does it mean, to be intolerant? Isn't it simply implying that one chooses to not accept the nature of reality for what it is? If we do not accept the nature of reality as it has presently unfolded itself to be, then how are we more capable of influencing the course of reality, from this moment, as it exists, by being intolerant?

We aren't. :shrug: I can tolerate that our friend is intolerant of the presence of tulips. My tolerance does not in any way interfere with my ability to influence the course of his life to, at the very least, get him to stop trampling other people's flowers, or to stop preaching to them about how ignorant they are for cultivating tulips. :smirk:

Being tolerant does not mean that one cannot be an effective catalyst of change; in fact, it enables one to assist the manifestation of reality as one prefers, as one fully accepts and comes to terms with reality as it has manifested thus far. :craven:


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