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rhet
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: zdev]
#7305920 - 08/17/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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zdev said: I am not saying that ANYONE that does bulk or casing MUST be a drug dealer. I am simply saying, if you are not growing as much as you can for the purpose of making as much money as you can, a few pf cakes are really all anyone needs to trip a few times a month with some friends. Why put yourself through the trouble of doing a bulk or casing if you are just gonna end up having excess mushrooms.
The trouble?
You can get twice as many shrooms, from the same cake, just by breaking it up and putting a little jiffy mix on top. What's the trouble?
The delay is a week, tops! The jiffy mix is $3 a bag and would be enough for 6+ quart jars.
You're just inexperienced. You're making twice as many jars as you need to.. and you'll soon realize that your tolerance builds fast and potency can vary greatly. By your third trip in a month, you'll need atleast 2-3 times as many shrooms to get the same effects.
You see the casing in my avatar? That was from a 1 pint WBS jar, cased... 15g dried. I guarantee you won't get a yield like that from any of your jars. Surface area and micro-climate is the name of the game.
p.s. there's no such thing as excess mushrooms. noob.
Edited by rhet (08/17/07 08:02 PM)
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wutang
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: rhet]
#7306218 - 08/17/07 09:45 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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totally agree with you rhet is it neccesary to sterilize the coir or jiffy mix? and does anyone know why are there better flushes on a casing? i guess the shrooms just like casing better..
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wutang
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: wutang]
#7306231 - 08/17/07 09:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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besides man, i got 6 cakes fruiting, they are on their 3-4 flush and i still barely got enough for a shitty threshold trip.they are tiny as hell im glad i decided to do casings and the mycelium is starting to poke through the surface!
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: zdev]
#7306237 - 08/17/07 09:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spawning is key!
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: zdev]
#7306326 - 08/17/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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There were a few moochers that tried getting me to hook them up with free shrooms and i know they are planning to sell at a very steep price cause of how hard the game them this websites url.. they had no willpower and both tried growing them on wet cardboard cause no matter what i told them about sterility and cakes and stuff... they wouldnt listen. Im trying to grow the amount that i am for a few reasons. i love growing and another is reason is cause i dont want to grow magic longer than i have to, to have a good supply, but mainly because someone who is very close to me, she is like my sister and just started getting into drugs and ill do anything to keep her from going out and buying drugs from shady people who will offer her drugs for free for a piece of ass.. I have never sold drugs for more than ive paid for them in the first place.. i usually just give them out for free to good people. If someone asks for drugs for free i wont give them shit, if they ask to buy something from me i usually give it to them for free (and i make sure they know that the second they sell any drug to anyone im not going to give them shit ever again cause now they are a drug dealer) I believe in karma and profit from drugs brings nothing but bad karma.
Basically what im getting at is it isnt right to assume that people are growing as much as they are to sell them.
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m_djbliss
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: zdev]
#7306338 - 08/17/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see your point. Growing bulk is just a different way of growing, and with it comes the fun of advanced mycology practices. Mushroom cultivation is for mycology enthusiasts (and granted... some drug dealers) and in the end, experimenting with different growing parameters/techniques/etc is where all the fun is. Plus, friends tend to enjoy the end product when you throw a kickback shroom party.
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coda
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: zdev]
#7306358 - 08/17/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i completely disagree.
1.) cakes are a huge PITA, ratios need to be proper, slow colonization times, and a bunch of other problems stemming from improper setup of your jars
2.) yields SUCK for all the work you need to put into doing 6-10 jars which MAY equal the harvest from a 5lb bulk casing, you can easily do the same thing in less steps with less hassle
3.) You don't have to eat all of your shrooms at once and just because you have a lot doesn't mean you sell. With a single 5 lb casing one person can produce almost a years supply in one go. This may take a lot of work using the PF method.
PF tek IMO is pretty much pointless, i don't even believe in the get your feet wet before bulk ideology. The only saving grace to it is that you don't need a pc to do PF jars and that can help a lot of people who want to try but don't want to drop a lot of dough. Grains are easier to prepare, colonize faster, offer you more spawn per jar, and when mixed in with bulk substrates offer the potential to produce a fuck ton more mushrooms with less effort.
In short, PF tek is great if you're strapped for cash or just want a trip or two, but otherwise it's essentially worthless.
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Blutjager
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: coda]
#7306385 - 08/17/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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5 for you Coda
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coda
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: Blutjager]
#7306402 - 08/17/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks!
Simply put 99% of people who go from PF tek to grains never look back, this was the same advice given to me when i first started and i ignored it because it did look more complicated. So i did one PF grow to success, enjoyed my mushies, and then realized i wanted more but didn't want to do the work. So i dove in, ordered some hpoo, bought myself some qt jars and some WBS, and man i haven't looked back since. I think the only good thing that came out of the PF tek was the fact that i knew how much more difficult and time consuming it was compared to grains ---> bulk. I really wish i would have listened but now i hope other new growers pay attention and just skip PF tek.
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rhet
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: wutang]
#7306590 - 08/18/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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wutang said: totally agree with you rhet is it neccesary to sterilize the coir or jiffy mix? and does anyone know why are there better flushes on a casing? i guess the shrooms just like casing better..
some people say it isn't necessary, but I usually put the damp jiffy mix in the microwave for 30 seconds.
casings get better flushes because there's more surface area and the casing layer delivers water to the shrooms. It creates a microclimate with the perfect humidity to initiate pinning.
If your shrooms are small, it's because they're not getting enough water/humidity. shrooms are 90% water. that and your substrate have the biggest impact on the size of your shrooms. poo and grains yield meatier shrooms than WBS or BRF.
Edited by rhet (08/18/07 01:16 AM)
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shaggydogman
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: Blutjager]
#7306638 - 08/18/07 01:39 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Blutjager said: 5 for you Coda
5 more
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Edited by shaggydogman (08/18/07 02:01 AM)
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coda
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: shaggydogman]
#7307031 - 08/18/07 08:37 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unless you want to wear out the effect of psilocybin on your brain of course.
Just noticed this and wanted to point out that like everything else in your post, this just isn't true either.
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: coda]
#7307051 - 08/18/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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To be honest, I've had 3 experiments
1) Cakes only 2) Cakes, cased 3) Grains
I'm doing the grains now, waiting to be colonized. But I must say that up to this point, grains were easier that making cakes, and considering I cased the cakes last time, I don't think my 3rd try will be any harder than my first 2.
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: FalseMaria]
#7307085 - 08/18/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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And after you get your grains down. It's no harder to spawn them to poo!
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: coda]
#7307105 - 08/18/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Edited by nw_shroomy (04/01/09 12:40 AM)
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pinkfloydms
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: nw_shroomy]
#7307118 - 08/18/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can put your casings in a PMP.
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: rhet]
#7307247 - 08/18/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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rhet said:
some people say it isn't necessary, but I usually put the damp jiffy mix in the microwave for 30 seconds.
Just 30 seconds? I go for about 2 mins shake then do it again. I seem to keep overdoing things.
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wutang
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: mushbaby]
#7307294 - 08/18/07 10:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think 4-5 minutes is the best to be 90% sure nothing else is in it
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HippieChick
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: coda]
#7307352 - 08/18/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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coda said:
2.) yields SUCK for all the work you need to put into doing 6-10 jars which MAY equal the harvest from a 5lb bulk casing, you can easily do the same thing in less steps with less hassle
This baffles me Coda ,
You're either great with cakes , or really suck with 5 pounds casing .lol
That 5 pound casing dried to over 4 ounces , lets see ya do that with 10 cakes , lol .
Sorry Bud , just had to fuck with ya before agreeing with ya .;) Hope you've been well
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Edited by HippieChick (08/18/07 02:09 PM)
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Re: I really don't see the point of doing anything besides cakes... [Re: royer]
#7307563 - 08/18/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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royer9864 said: i grow big bulk and i dont sell them, i also only trip 2-3 times a year which is usally only 2-3 grams.
So what do you do with all those extra mushrooms?
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