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Severe Alzheimers
    #7298793 - 08/15/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a point (compassion?) to keeping people alive who can no longer take care of themselves or find any joy or purpose when suffering from any extreme form of disease?

If I no longer know my own name or can wipe my own butt, please be merciful and put me into a very long slumber.


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7298795 - 08/15/07 08:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup: Buddhism is cool with it


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: lipan]
    #7298828 - 08/15/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"WAIT! WAIT! I only forgot my name because I was too blazed, not because I am sick. Seriously fellows..."

*Shmoopy struggles as two muscular, over-sized interns in white frocks pin him down and place a pillow over his head*

"Mmmmppphhhhhh! Mmmmmm..." :dead:


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7298851 - 08/15/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Would it really be considered suffering to be able to reinvent yourself every moment....?
No regrets, no guilt, no distractions, no memory of any possible past mental trauma, etc etc....

I gotta~ git~ me some of that....!    :tongue:


>^;;^<


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Re: Severe Alzheimer's [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7298855 - 08/15/07 08:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

My grandfather had it..... my dad is in his late 40s and has pretty serious lapses in memory which concern me... from what I've seen ... let me die with dignity.

I've told those closest to me in all seriousness that if I reach a state like my grandfather was in to PLEASE...PLEASE... make it look like an accident. The only problem is finding someone you could trust to acctually do it.

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7298863 - 08/15/07 08:35 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

That's a pretty poor characterization of Alzheimers.  I have a family member who had it, he felt like his world was imploding, was terrified, angered, and hopelessly depressed about being unable to effectively communicate, and eventually became physically violent with loved ones.  :frown:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7298868 - 08/15/07 08:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

How about waking up in the morning and not understanding where you are and why your wife who has been dead for 20 years isn't there......


And there are strange people... (your children) are trying to explain to you.. she is dead.. while you scream like an infant for help...

Yeah make jokes...

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: Lion]
    #7298891 - 08/15/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

What is even scarier is when a human turns into a DMT insect - or thinks he has...


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7298941 - 08/15/07 08:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

^i know alot of people who don't have alzheimers who NEED to be put out of their misery too^

lol

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7299266 - 08/15/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

^ I know lots of people who take shit way too seriously, especially on a message board ^

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7299299 - 08/15/07 10:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

"Jack...Jack? IS THAT MY NAME!?! ONE CANNOT LABEL MY ESSENCE!!!" ~ Jack Black


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Re: Extreme Alzheimers [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7299370 - 08/15/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

When I first saw this thread, I thought that it should be titled "Extreme Alzheimers"... and I imagined octagenarians on dirt bikes, drinking Mountain Dew.

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7299396 - 08/15/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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YawningAnus said:
^ I know lots of people who take shit way too seriously, especially on a message board ^




when i put lol, at the end of my post, it means laughing out loud-
that means not serious

dumbshit, lol

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7299407 - 08/15/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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dumbshit, lol




Funny signature you got there :smirk:


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And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
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Bathed in your sighs

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7299415 - 08/15/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

a signature is something that goes beneath the line

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dumbshit
lol


i have no signature yet, not prepared to invest that kind of time at a board where every single thread is derailed by some morons.


is it true that smokin' drugs off of aluminum foil will give ya alzheimers?

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Re: Extreme Alzheimers [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7299417 - 08/15/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I've told everyone I've ever been close too, if it looks like I'm going to have to live out my life as a vegtable or a near vegtable, or I'm totally incapacitated by something and bedridden or something like that, then what I want is this: Keep your goddamned murderous hands off my goddamn plug. Give me more plugs. Give me backup plugs. Give me a diesel generator as a backup for those. Buy organs from chinese executions.

Most people I know take the opposite view point, and want to "die with dignity", which is fine, it's a personal choice and all. I just think it's kind of silly to think you'll die with anything besides a few hundred some odd pounds of meat and a few ounces less urine, feces and semen. You can't die with anything because, as the platitude goes, "You can't take it with you."

But mostly, it's just the idea that there's a miracle cure a day away on any given day. Yesterdays crippling disease is todays minor inconvinience and will be tomorrows anecdote of medical history. ("Did you know that cancer used to metastisize in people and spread throughout there bodies, rather than just digesting harmlessly into the body like it does nowadays?) It seems to me that I have an infinite ammount of time to be dead. That's important in two respects. Firstly, I have an infinate ammount of time to explore whatever, if anything is next, and secondly, however much pain I may feel subjectively is inconsequential due to the infinite period of potential objectivity that will follow my inevitable death.

I guess what comes closest to how I feel is daoism. I don't fear death (more than anyone else, that is. very few people REALLY don't fear death, and it's because they're fucked up.), so much as I don't see the point of making something inevitable happen any sooner than it will. But by that same token, it's foolish to cling onto something that will inevitably go away.


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Re: Extreme Alzheimers [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7299444 - 08/15/07 11:00 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

YawningAnus said:
When I first saw this thread, I thought that it should be titled "Extreme Alzheimers"... and I imagined octagenarians on dirt bikes, drinking Mountain Dew.




Reminds me of the time I saw a banner on a website that read "Make Poverty History"...

And I thought... Fuck yeah! I'll endevor to become the single poorest person who has ever lived!! I'll die collectively owing more wealth than exists on earth!! Banks will have to stripmine mars to make up the currency I'll fradulently borrow! I'm gonna make it into the History of Poverty!!

Turns out, they wanted me to give money to other poor people.

So I wrote an email asking how we were going to make it into the poverty history books if we were making people less poor.

And no one even took the time to write me back and point out that I'd made the informal logical fallacy of amphiboly. The nerve.

These new sleeping pills might be making me a little weird.


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7299516 - 08/15/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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^ I know lots of people who take shit way too seriously, especially on a message board ^




when i put lol, at the end of my post, it means laughing out loud-
that means not serious

dumbshit, lol




this isnt the first post of yours that I have seen you act so serious, with or without the lol... it doesnt really matter , because it isnt some universal j/k.

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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7299566 - 08/15/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

As for the topic question...

No real good comes immediately to mind on the topic of keeping the infirm alive. The societal goods are a little more nebulous and in some cases sinister. We can't just let people die because we fear death, particularly the death of those close to us. The more sinister good is that the dying tend to spend a lot of money, and if not them then their family members. It costs a lot of money to keep a depleted bag of bones processing food into waste for as long as some people hold on. And, as far as the econonmy and government is concerned, spending money is good.


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Re: Severe Alzheimers [Re: crumblebum]
    #7299577 - 08/15/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I like the movie that elija woods played in called "North"... well i didnt like the movie, but I liked an idea they expressed... it was something along the lines of when someone becomes infirm or too old to help, or atleast not be a drag on their respective society, they are put on a floating peice of ice and sent out to die.

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