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 wikedanjel
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 Oven bag in Oven?!?! 
#729790 - 07/07/02 05:01 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I decided to post this here because I havent seen any other posts about it and the tek is under advanced cultivation in the shroomery.
This will be my first attempt at growing mushrooms. I have researched everything and anything in about the past year.  And this is the dilema that I am currently faced with.
When looking in all the diffrent teks one that appealed to me the most is Hips Bulk tek (oven bag in Oven) Im going to paste it here so If you want to see it you dont have to be going from page to page.
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Hip's Bulk Tek
Check out HIPPIEHAVEN http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Marina/7382
First, let me say that I'm a big fan of the PF Amazonian 'classic' strain (still my #1!) and a firm disciple of the PF Tek. PF himself has my utmost respect and all my little 'innovations' are merely elaborations upon his ideas.
In my mind, the biggest drawback to the tek is the damn 1/2 pint jars... they cost $$, can be hard to find, and must be washed after use, quite a chore if more than just a dozen or so are involved.
So let's talk about oven bags. As in Reynolds-brand oven bags, used for roasting turkeys, chicken, etc. whole. They come in various sizes - small is 10" by 16", rated to hold 4 pounds weight and oven-safe at up to 400? F.
They are also available much larger, as in the 'turkey' size, are cheap (a few bucks, <$5 for a box of five 'small') and available year round in any decent grocery store.
They make dandy 'jars' for PF-style substrate in bulk amounts. Just mix up enough rice/verm. for X # of jars, (see note at bottom for a few ideas on this part) spoon into the bag, tie the bag closed, bake at 250? F for 45 min. Allow to cool in the oven until safe to touch. Stick the now cooled oven bag inside another, larger bag, ziplock and let cool to room temp. When cool, one can inject spores/innoculant right through the plastic (seal hole with tape). Once white growth becomes visible in a few days, one can speed up colonization by shaking the bag, and mixing the patches into uncolonized areas. Once fairly well along, (in a sterile environ, such as in front of oven door ala the Captain's Oven Technique) the bag can be opened and a filtered air tube inserted to enhance growth. Instead of spores, one can use mycellial solutions, spent cakes (remove outer surface & use clean core), etc.
Note: one can fit rather large amounts into these bags but contamination losses increase proportionately. Try it with enough for 6 jars 1st & see what you think.
A few pointers:
Double bag the substrate - i.e. fill a regular size oven bag with the substrate, seal that by twisting and the tie included in the box (heat-resistant, non-metallic for microwave fans), then place that inside yet another, larger oven bag and seal it likewise.
Squeeze most of the air out of the inner bag so steam has room to expand and leave some air in the outer large bag, so as the inner bag cools, any air sucked in is also sterile.
Once "baked" for 45 minutes, pop the entire thing in yet a larger third ziplock storage bag, the kind that can handle hot foods. Then into the fridge to cool.
Use an electric mixer on low to mix up 4 - 6 jars worth of substrate in a few seconds in a large bowl.
When filling the oven bags, fold back the rim several inches, so no foodstuff gets on the bag near the neck/seal.
When innoculating, don't let the needle touch the substrate, just raise the plastic above the 'cake' an inch or so & squirt spores everywhere, about 3 cc will do plenty. (About 3 dozen 'jars' worth with 1 syringe!!)
After innoculation, throw several into a black plastic trashbag to keep out the light & help prevent contams.
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Now I have heard of one big problem that the lack of humidity will dry everything out. A few months ago my stove broke down  and I havent yet replaced it so I only have a oven and a microwave. I was thinking maybe I could put the bag into water, not submersed but above or maybe half way in water. What do I do about this? Does anyone know any other probelms? 
has anyone tried this method that can tell me how it went?
Im thinking mayeb buying an electrical stove that i can plug in, so then I can place the bag in the PC with a towel around it so it doesnt melt touching the sides, is this a good idea?  Well I hope to get some response. Thanks for listening.
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Anno
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 Re: Oven bag in Oven?!?! [Re: wikedanjel]
#730255 - 07/07/02 08:33 PM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don?t know how well this tek works, but my suggestion if you want a reliable first harvest:
www.fungifun.org/pf/pf_en.htm
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wikedanjel
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 Re: Oven bag in Oven?!?! [Re: Anno]
#730496 - 07/08/02 02:53 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive already seen that site, but how do i do it if I have no stove?
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DinoMyc
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Re: Oven bag in Oven?!?! [Re: wikedanjel]
#731479 - 07/08/02 11:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago) |
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do not jump into "advanced" teks, get your growing feet with something you cannot f* up. PF/mmgg instantly comes to mind. If you have a good pressure cooker then birdseed would not be pushing it too far, so long as you are competent..
A single element electric ?burner? (like what you have on an electrical stove) costs less than 20$ American, so that is not an excuse for not doing things properly. Don?t go all out experimenting until you have a control and a good idea of what should happen.
I am sorry, but this does violate the basic rules of the forum, in that you did not read the FAQ and search beforehand.. You did at least give some indication that you have done some homework, and that is appreciated, but this is the wrong forum to start out in.
http://shroomery.org/faq/faq.php?display=faq&nr=8&catnr=1&prog=1&lang=en&onlynewfaq=11
Go and buy an electric burner and a pressure cooker, try out PF/MMGG tek, then birdseed, then perhaps start experimenting. Countless newbies ask nearly the same question as you, although the tek involved varies, and invariably the answer is the same: start small, get a sense of what is going on, and then move on. Unless you have a bio degree or some other theoretical based qualifications, and even if you did, it?s a good idea to get a frame of reference before you start on completely uncharted territory.
Good luck!
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