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mikebart101
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'Big Brother' Moves into China
#7291200 - 08/13/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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The beginning of the end...
"Beijing is rolling out its ambitious plan this month to require everyone who lives in Chinese cities to carry at all times an INVASIVE ID CARD. According to The New York Times, the card will contain "name and address but also work history, educational background, religion, ethnicity, police record, medical insurance status and landlord's phone number. Even personal reproductive history will be included, for enforcement of China’s controversial 'one child' policy. Plans are being studied to add credit histories, subway travel payments and small purchases charged to the card."
http://www.therawfeed.com/2007/08/invasive-id-card-required-to-live-in.html
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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johnm214



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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: mikebart101]
#7291361 - 08/13/07 03:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is insane.... credit history, medical issues, religion. The government should be blind to these personal items. This is what I'm afraid of with the federal governments REAL ID act and other national ID proposals (a'la giulianni and others) - though I think the REAL ID act is having trouble finding funding (thought I heard this)
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kidaihuan
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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: mikebart101]
#7291392 - 08/13/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't see this being a problem for me, as it will take years and years to implement, but I really hope this doesn't apply to foriegners. The ethnicity part scares me though.
Really, I can't see this being a problem, but I also think that more than anything, the NYT exaggerated... if not, it doesn't seem realistic. China has a lot of policies that aren't ever enforced... they're basically there so that the government looks like it is meeting demands of other nations, more than it actually is. Plus, there is a huge migrant population in Chinese cities... it can't work in the near future. And if it did... It'd be a big step for China. The government isn't really into spying into people's personal matters for small crimes or no good reason anyway, so it's not BIG NEWS.
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johnm214



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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: kidaihuan]
#7291493 - 08/13/07 03:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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kidaihuan, I've heard alot of websites are blocked from china, ever run into this?
Anyways, aren't alot of China's policies disproportianatly applied to the relativly small (geographically speaking) areas of the country w/ urban development? It seems unfeasable to apply this policy to all sorts of peeps living in the boonies and isolated villages across the country?
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kidaihuan
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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: johnm214]
#7291873 - 08/13/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, the Chinese government has hired a huge amount of people whos job is just to find and block websites. Generally speaking, they block porn and anything that is a biased (bad) view of the Chinese government. Contrary to popular belief, they do allow discussion and critisism against the government, as long as it doesn't get out of hand.
As for the policies... it's really funny how that works. I'll try to sum it up.
Places like Hong Kong and Taiwan are run by their own government and their laws are completely different. China generally realizes that their way of governing 'works' and they don't try to force their laws. Everything is different in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
There are also general laws that cover all of China... they are enforced, but it varies by city. Some cities and areas choose to avoid these laws due to a large income or lack of interest in enforcing them. These such things may include manufacturing of goods that area otherwise illegal in China, mainly for export to places where it's legal (replica firearms is something that comes to mind) and another would me pirated... everything. This is illegal, but little have interest in enforcing these laws, so unless a foreign government puts a lot of pressure on them... they're never enforced. One example is pirated movies. About once a year the government will announce very publicly that they will 'crack down' on pirated DVDs for a certain period of time. During this time, everyone will get notice and close up shop until the heat is off. They open right up after that without problem. The same goes for porn, fireworks and 'barbershop/massage parlor prostitution' in some areas.
With most 'victim less' crimes the government usually turns a blind eye, then makes a big announcement that they'll crack down. They'll make a couple busts that look big, get some headlines and be done with it. It's just for show, for the most part. This isn't a secret either.
It's a nice place to live. You won't ever get nailed for something stupid that they found in the law books from two hundred years in the past, just so a cop can meet his quota.
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CosmicFool
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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: johnm214]
#7291897 - 08/13/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
johnm214 said: This is insane.... credit history, medical issues, religion. The government should be blind to these personal items. This is what I'm afraid of with the federal governments REAL ID act and other national ID proposals (a'la giulianni and others) - though I think the REAL ID act is having trouble finding funding (thought I heard this)
I can see an argument for medical issues and religion. If you ever got into a serious accident it would be important to let medics know if ur allergic to things like penicillin, and if you die and they have to perform a funeral the religion would come into play.
I'm not saying it's good/bad but there are certain (dis)advantages
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johnm214



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Re: 'Big Brother' Moves into China [Re: CosmicFool]
#7291921 - 08/13/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can see an argument for medical issues and religion. If you ever got into a serious accident it would be important to let medics know if ur allergic to things like penicillin, and if you die and they have to perform a funeral the religion would come into play.
I'm not saying it's good/bad but there are certain (dis)advantages
Of course, however; there is nothing stopping people from carying medical ID cards or bracelets/necklaces with this information allready- and of course this only matters when a person is found and brought in unconcious without family/friends.
I'm not against voluntary identification cards, prepared by the individual or other private sources, for these or any reasons. The problem is a government mandate that people identify things that should have no bearing on their treatment. For the vast majority of people, their are no medical procedures that are against their religious beliefs- except perhpas end-of-life issues which are better handled through a healthcare power of attorney/ will/ healthcare directive that can be on file w/ the authroities and the hospitals.
It is wrong to both impose this ID requirment upon people who would (i.e. jehova's witnesses) and wouldn't (me) benefit without their consent.
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