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Banez
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Quick question: Casing WBS.
#7285342 - 08/11/07 07:07 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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well ive been looking at 6QT WBS Tek, but dont want to spawn it.. This will be my next step up from cakes.
I was wondering if I could case WBS with 50/50 mix (verm and peat moss, maybe sphygrum moss (sp?).. and maybe add Blood Meal as well.. with Blood Meal do i need to get Calcium Carbonate? I dont know if Blood Meal would fuck up the pH level too much or not.. seems like its pretty nitrogen rich.
Thanks!
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Banez
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7285349 - 08/11/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok scratch adding Blood Meal to the casing layer.. with a little more searching, and I should have used common sense as well, I realized you dont want any nutrients in your casing layer.
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7285373 - 08/11/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your not going to spawn to anything just case it? Thats dumb. If you can colonize WBS you can spawn it to poo just as easy.
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Banez
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Well i'd like to spawn, but to be frank, i havent even had a successful casing yet.. my last one with PF cakes and moisture control got covered with Trich.
I dont want to fuck with hpoo at all.
In the tek, dont they spawn WBS to WBS?
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dysphoria
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if you plan to case straight grains, the suggested substrate depth should be no more than 2 inches, possibly even 1 and 1/2 inches.
50/50 is a good casing to mix with it
and yes, its sphagnum peat moss and vermiculite, in equal proportions and calcium carbonate and/or oyster shell flour for ph buffer or hydrated lime, if you prefer. i wouldnt add bloodmeal to the 50/50, its more of a nitrogen nutrient for bulk substrate that might lack alot of nitrogen initially.
even then, i dont really think its use is very widespread.
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Banez
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: dysphoria]
#7285399 - 08/11/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank you very much.. thats all i needed to know.. im planning on picking up the moss tomorrow and casing 6 1/2 pint cakes.. well i have 6 blue meanies and 6 lipa yai.
should i just crumble the cakes and spread it out, or can i sterilize a butter knife and cut the cake into 3rds and make it look like sod grass, like lay it down in sheets?
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dysphoria
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7285478 - 08/11/07 08:01 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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either way will work but crumbling is the preferred way this is just to ensure that the mycelium binds up as solid as possible.
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Banez
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: dysphoria]
#7285503 - 08/11/07 08:12 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, im figuring that I got Trich from not letting my cakes colonize long enough.. atleast that's what Im hoping.
last time, i let the cakes fully colonize (well i thought they were), then i dunked, then crumpled them. then appplied about an inch of casing layer.
i PCed the casing layer in jars so i dont think i got the contam from the casing layer.
How do you usually prepare your casing layers? I had planned on just nuking it, or maybe even laying it on a cookie sheet and baking it at 400 degrees for about 20-30 mins.
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7285584 - 08/11/07 08:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well I am semi new to casings but I like MGMC ( Miracle Grow Moisture Control ). I prepare it by removing the sticks and usings MonsterMitch's tek. Which basically involves usings a pressure cookier without the toggle weight. Here is what I do and it has worked for me 6 times now. 1) Take out the sticks 2) Add 2 cups of water to 3 quarts of MGMC 3) Put the MGMC in jars and put lids. I use lids that have no holes. 4) Put the jars in the pressure cooker on top of the trivet-spacer thinger-ma-bob. You know-- the thing that keeps the jars off the bottom of the pressure cooker and aware from direct heat of the fire... 5) Add water to the pressure cooker such that it comes half way up the sides of the jars. 6) Put the lid on the PC but do NOT add the toggle weight. 7) Turn on the heat. 8) When steam is coming out of the ... steam hole thing let it heat for 5 more minutes. 9) Turn off the heat after those 5 minutes have elapsed. 10) Wait half an hour. 11) Turn the heat back on. 12) When steam is coming out of the ... steam hole thing let it heat for 5 more minutes. 13) Turn off the heat after those 5 minutes have elapsed. 14) Let cool over night.
I've done the WBS cased with no bulk. It works great for about two flushes. Though in a 12 quart sweater tub I got 55g dry off the first flush and 25g dry off the second using B+ strain.
My best results came when I used 1/2 inch of casing at the bottom of a 12 quart sweater tub 7 quarts of WBS and ~1/2-3/4 inches of casing at the top.
I then cover the tub with a foil lid in which I poke lots and lots of holes that I then cover with micropore gentle paper tape. Then I put it on a shelf for 5-10 days and then put into fruiting.
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Banez
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: chucklehead]
#7285593 - 08/11/07 08:46 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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perhaps that is where i went wrong.
i didnt add any water to the jars of MGMC before I PCed them, i just filled the jars about 3/4 full (quart jars) and PCed.
ill add water next time.. ill just case with moisture control since i still have a bag left.
thanks for that tek, i see some improvements i can make. and hopefully i dont end up losing half my jars again.
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7285711 - 08/11/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Banez, it is very important that your casing layer be the right depth. it should be no more than 25% of your substrate depth. You can have less.
That means that if you have 4 inches of substrate, you should have 1 inch of casing material.
If you have only two inches of substrate, then you should have a 1/2 inch casing layer....
And also another note, anything you are trying to sterilize should be Pressure cooked for at least 60 minutes.
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: chucklehead]
#7285731 - 08/11/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
chucklehead said: I've done the WBS cased with no bulk. It works great for about two flushes.
I've got one in its fourth flush. Smaller mushrooms this time, but there's lots of them. No idea on potency, maybe in a couple of days. Also no idea about relative yield- this is the first one that has made it to four. (But coir+coffee as had some bitchin' two-flush runs)
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Banez
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Neobean]
#7285787 - 08/11/07 10:21 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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whoops.. thats another mistake i made, i had a 1 inch layer of substrate, and 2 inches of casing layer. it did start pinning though, just took awhile.
thanks for all the tips guys.. i appreciate it.. i wanted to try on my own first, but that didnt go so well, so now i need to figure out some improvements.
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: Banez]
#7286599 - 08/12/07 05:16 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i don't know how it may be labeled in the US but in the UK sphagnum moss is the green stuff used to line hanging flower baskets.not what you want. you need peat moss,the dark compost looking material.
while your getting that why not see if they stock coir, seeing as you don't want to play with the horse manure,it makes a good bulk substrate to spawn too. hydrate to field capacity (a small stream will run out when a handful is tightly squeezed) and follow this to properly pasteurize-> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5824391#Post5824391 #5824391
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Re: Quick question: Casing WBS. [Re: deucedbi9]
#7286798 - 08/12/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's the same in the US, deucedbi9. Peat moss is composted sphagnum moss.
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