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The stupidity of voting for Hillary.
#7282855 - 08/10/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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George bush is in power now because people recognized his name. He's not doing so well as a president even though his dad did OK. What makes anybody think Hillary will do well, just because her husband did a good job? You would think we could learn our lesson.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: shroomydan]
#7282865 - 08/10/07 08:57 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: George bush is in power now because people recognized his name. He's not doing so well as a president even though his dad did OK. What makes anybody think Hillary will do well, just because her husband did a good job? You would think we could learn our lesson.
Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7282878 - 08/10/07 09:01 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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do you really think that the powers that be give a fuck about approval ratings?
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: ledfut]
#7282893 - 08/10/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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ledfut said: do you really think that the powers that be give a fuck about approval ratings?
obviously not...did you read my post? And they shouldnt. They were elected because the people believed in how they thought a country should be controlled. If lets say Bush was to just change what he believed in so he could boost his approval rating, he would be showing the American people he doesnt even care about the country. That why I still am a supporter of him. My point was that in "my opinion" a would woman care more about stuff like that.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7282907 - 08/10/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I disagree; i think that a president who is willing to change their opinion for the people is exactly what a president should be doing. they are elected to be the voice of the people, and when the people start disapproving they should be inclined to LISTEN and change their approach.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: SaulGood]
#7282914 - 08/10/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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asedatednation said: I disagree; i think that a president who is willing to change their opinion for the people is exactly what a president should be doing. they are elected to be the voice of the people, and when the people start disapproving they should be inclined to LISTEN and change their approach.
Thats a good point...but I geuss we look at things differently.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7282939 - 08/10/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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ledfut said: do you really think that the powers that be give a fuck about approval ratings?
obviously not...did you read my post? And they shouldnt. They were elected because the people believed in how they thought a country should be controlled. If lets say Bush was to just change what he believed in so he could boost his approval rating, he would be showing the American people he doesnt even care about the country. That why I still am a supporter of him. My point was that in "my opinion" a would woman care more about stuff like that.
how they thought. that's past tense. if you ask me the persistence of most politicians is akin to a retard trying to smash through a brick wall w/ his head. especially when you start going higher up the ladder.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: ledfut]
#7282971 - 08/10/07 09:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha good observation..."how they think a country should be controlled"
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283008 - 08/10/07 09:51 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I agree... the minute a leader stops listening to the people is the minute they stop being a good leader. And as for Mz. Clinton, i've never had the desire to vote for her... but it's not because she's a woman, it's because she's an idiot. I wouldnt say that ALL women would make bad presidents. just like I wouldnt say that all MEN would. because many men HAVEN'T.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283042 - 08/10/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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If Obama gets the nomination he will win. If Hillary gets the nomination, there are enough people in the country who hate her that any goofball republican could win. Gore could probably also win against any republican.
Why would the democratic party nominate a hate magnet whose only qualification is being the wife of the last good president, when there are at least two other candidates who would almost certainly win the presidency if nominated.
Hillary is the only democratic candidate that stands a chance to loose.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: shroomydan]
#7283049 - 08/10/07 10:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha that is true....is barack obama muslim/black? i dont really know much about him
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283061 - 08/10/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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With Hilary I figure at best, its another 8 years of Bill, at worst, she's still going to be a hell of a lot better than Bush Jr. or even Sr.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: shroomydan]
#7283106 - 08/10/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I believe Obama is losing in polling match-ups against the major Republican candidates.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: shroomydan]
#7283140 - 08/10/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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not as stupid as voting for giuliani or romney...
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: shroomydan]
#7283145 - 08/10/07 10:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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but Bill would be first lady! c'mon that'd be priceless, even at the cost of what well-being the U.S. has left over..
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: elbisivni]
#7283153 - 08/10/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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elbisivni said: but Bill would be first lady! c'mon that'd be priceless, even at the cost of what well-being the U.S. has left over..
haha ibet he wants his wife to loose just for that reason hah
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283782 - 08/11/07 05:22 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: haha that is true....is barack obama muslim/black? i dont really know much about him
check this out http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d2b_1172242598
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283814 - 08/11/07 05:58 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: haha that is true....is barack obama muslim/black? i dont really know much about him
I believe he was raised Muslim but doesn't practice.
As for Hillary, I think she'd be good at some job- but not President. Presidents have to get along with people, and get people to go along with them. She's too polarizing. She really is a smart and knowledgeable and educated person- but nobody likes her.
Sucks being Hillary...
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7283937 - 08/11/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: elbisivni]
#7289149 - 08/12/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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elbisivni said: but Bill would be first lady! c'mon that'd be priceless, even at the cost of what well-being the U.S. has left over..
Actually they decided that Chelsea would be first lady if Hillary were prez. The concern is that having a former president act as first lady would be a violation of the two term limit. It would be too much power for Bill.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: fireworks_god]
#7289157 - 08/12/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently.
Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
#7291544 - 08/13/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently.
Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum.
Well yes it is pretty ignorant. But because I may have never met a girl who is emotionally stable has nothing to do with age. You guys are right on about ignorance, in my experience with work and social life most girls I meet either "know it all" or really are emotionally unstable. I believe knowledge and wisdom comes with age and Ive still got a lot to learn at 19 years old.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
#7292066 - 08/13/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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elbisivni said: but Bill would be first lady! c'mon that'd be priceless, even at the cost of what well-being the U.S. has left over..
Actually they decided that Chelsea would be first lady if Hillary were prez. The concern is that having a former president act as first lady would be a violation of the two term limit. It would be too much power for Bill.
Got any cites? Besides, this reasoning is dumb. The presidential term limit is a creature of the constituion. Since the first lady is not the president, nor is she mentioned in the constitution, nor is she afforded any power whatsoever beyond that the president may delegate in his executie duties, nor does she draw a salary, et cet. It would absolutly not be a violation for bill to be the first husband.
And why the hangup on the term first lady? The crier always said "mr. speaker teh president of the united states" when presenting the potus for his sotu speech, then pelosi ascended, and he now says "madam speaker..." Names change, and as first lady is merely a conventional tital, its not like the law needs to be reworked.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: johnm214]
#7292071 - 08/13/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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anyways, the fact that hillary is a women, and is bill's husband, has nothing to do with why you shouldn't vote for her.
She's unprincipled, intellectually dishonest, hesitant to admit mistakes in some cases, and been around too long to have any excuse for the divergence in her voting record/ rhetoric.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: johnm214]
#7292080 - 08/13/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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But you better believe she won't send us to a new war.
(And the 8 years of on-the-job training is a hell of a lot more experience than anyone else running)
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: xFrockx]
#7292142 - 08/13/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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xFrockx said: But you better believe she won't send us to a new war.
(And the 8 years of on-the-job training is a hell of a lot more experience than anyone else running)
Well I don't believe it... Have you been paying attention?
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I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran... And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran — that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons.
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Hillary also stated she had "no regrets" on voting for the iraq war (somehow bush's fault- not hers?) cuz she didn't known no better I think she, very recently, changed her mind on this. Now I think she is sorry... whatever too little too late Quote:
To the disappointment of some antiwar liberals in her Democratic base, Clinton, the former first lady, voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.
"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."
Hillary Not Sorry via CNN
Add in the patriot act, and the flip flopping on that, and you've got a spineless unprincipled yuppie
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
#7428365 - 09/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: George bush is in power now because people recognized his name. He's not doing so well as a president even though his dad did OK. What makes anybody think Hillary will do well, just because her husband did a good job? You would think we could learn our lesson.
Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
Meh.... I don't think its anything against women (although Pelosi is fucking retard as well). America just hates Hilary because she's a mean hag. Besides... women her age... they've been through menopause.. After that, the monthly mood swings and temptations to nuke a country every 4 weeks are pretty much over.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
#7428375 - 09/19/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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AG Tek said: Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.
This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently.
Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum.
Most chicks are just emotionally stable enough to dupe men into thinking they're stable .. at least just long enough to get a ring on their fingers
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7430626 - 09/19/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.
Obama has onemajor strike against him. He was raised muslim. There has been only one president in this country's history who was not a portestant christian (JFK, a catholic). In a country that elects 98% WASPS and is already nervous about muslims there is no way that a black man raised muslim can win. It ain't right, but it's the way it is.
As for Hillary, people loved Bill, but she almost completely lacks the warmth and charisma that got him 8 years in office. Add to the fact that she's a woman, and a large portion of the public simply loathes her for whatever reason, and you're left with Hillary having no shot.
Another thing to think about is the way that the taller candidate has a statistical edgein presidential elections. What's hillary? 5' 7", maybe, tops. No shot.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Ziggen]
#7431309 - 09/20/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree.
I think this election is a whole new ballgame. We have a black dude, a chick, and a mormon that are all pretty heavy contenders. We've never had that much diversity EVER amongst serious candidates. The fact that so many people right now are begging for change... I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hilary or Obama won.
There are SO many people that would love to re-elect Clinton... and would probably vote for Hilary just because of that... although I still think that Obama would be the only chance in Hell at the Democrats getting the White House back (simply because I think more republicans would actually vote for Obama rather than Hilary)
Obama has to be the most tactful, well spoken candidate I've seen in a long time... I don't even know if most people know if he was raised Muslim. Shit.. most republicans I talk to don't seem to give a shit that Mitt is a Mormon. And the fact that Obama's relatively new to politics makes for a strong candidacy because has relatively LITTLE time to actually generate controversy.
You know it's either Hilary or Obama that are going to be nominated by the democrats.. and the fact that people are so sick of the war is probably going to give an extra boost to whoever is the candidate for the Democratic party, regardless if people like that person or not.
Hell look at me.. I've never voted for anyone in the Democratic party... and I'd be damn near tempted to vote for Hilary (a person I can't stand) just because voting for her means that Democrats would have both the whitehouse and congress which means the FUCKING USELESS GOV'T WE'VVE HAD FOR SO LONG MIGHT ACTUALLY *gasp* FUCKING GET SOMETHING DONE FOR ONCE!
Hell.. even if a law gets passed to require that all men get have midgets sown to their scrotums by 2009. I'd almost be happy to see it passed just for the sake of seeing the Executive and Legislative actually agree on something for once in my life!
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
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> The fact that so many people right now are begging for change... I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hilary or Obama won
Explain how Hillary is a change? She was in office for eight years as 1st lady and has been in the senate since. Same old, same old...
> Obama has to be the most tactful, well spoken candidate I've seen in a long time...
I would agree. Although I don't agree with his platform, he is a very likable person and I have been impressed with his interviews.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Ziggen]
#7431485 - 09/20/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.
Try getting out more often.
You are speaking of a voting nation that has the TV show American Idol at the top of viewer ratings.
A nation, so lazy to do any research, they vote by sound bites and name recognition, and who was given the most money by special interest groups.
A nation so use to being told what and how to think, little critical independent objective thought is taking place.
A nation, so insecure that going against the status quo of what is "popular" is social climbers suicide.
A nation use to being told by the media, and marketers, what they want and need.
A nation, so eager to have it all now, they want to believe and do believe they can get it from whoever promises to deliver it.
The average household income is $40,000 a year. That sucks. The number of those living below the poverity line is outrageous for this nation. This American majority is elegible to vote. Hillary is promising to give everyone the American Dream and good life , for FREE if you vote for her.
If elections were held tomorrow, Hillary would win. She is a master psychological strategists, and master panderer.
It would take a lot of shake ups, to create wake ups from the spell, to bring about a different result. Fortunately, there is plenty of time before the primaries, and election for that to happen. Doesn't mean it will.
This election is more CRITICAL then any other in our history.
Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.
Want to see the video?
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Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.
No reason? Haven't you read the US Constitution Bill of Rights? Let me help:
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble unless they lack a permit, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
See, right there! It says you can't assemble without a permit. (sarcasm)
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Seuss]
#7431533 - 09/20/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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A lady in the video with the group, said they had a permit. ( Not verified though) When the police were repeatedly asked by several people, what the charge was, not a cop said a word. Creepy.
I wonder, if this was a first demonstration/test of the section in the Patriot Act that says, if you speak out against the war on terror, you are deemed a terrorist and loose your rights to habeous corpous.
I'll put the video up in a new post later.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Seuss]
#7431579 - 09/20/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Explain how Hillary is a change? She was in office for eight years as 1st lady and has been in the senate since. Same old, same old...
Well.. not having a Bush or a Bush clone in office is change enough for me.
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Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.
Try getting out more often.
You are speaking of a voting nation that has the TV show American Idol at the top of viewer ratings.
A nation, so lazy to do any research, they vote by sound bites and name recognition, and who was given the most money by special interest groups.
A nation so use to being told what and how to think, little critical independent objective thought is taking place.
A nation, so insecure that going against the status quo of what is "popular" is social climbers suicide.
A nation use to being told by the media, and marketers, what they want and need.
A nation, so eager to have it all now, they want to believe and do believe they can get it from whoever promises to deliver it.
The average household income is $40,000 a year. That sucks. The number of those living below the poverity line is outrageous for this nation. This American majority is elegible to vote. Hillary is promising to give everyone the American Dream and good life , for FREE if you vote for her.
If elections were held tomorrow, Hillary would win. She is a master psychological strategists, and master panderer.
It would take a lot of shake ups, to create wake ups from the spell, to bring about a different result. Fortunately, there is plenty of time before the primaries, and election for that to happen. Doesn't mean it will.
This election is more CRITICAL then any other in our history.
Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.
Want to see the video?
40K avg household income?
According to the CIA factbook
GDP - per capita (PPP): $44,000 (2006 est.)
That's just ONE person. Household income is probably way more than that.
That's better than 99% of the rest of the world. And the cost of living doesn't seem as bad here as some European countries.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7431611 - 09/20/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7431637 - 09/20/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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She is a Bush clone. Billary set the stage for Bush BTW. Even her "Free College For Everyone" plan, has the same testing base of the No Child Left Behind forma,t for giving college grants. The same format she criticizes Bush for using in the public schools, which she says is ineffective at providing a good education. You're being played by masters if you haven't caught their being on the same team, making it look like opposing teams , plan.
To your reply to me,
If you think 44,000 a year is enough to own your own home, raise a family and send them to college with, living the American dream comfortably with, then WHY does anyone need Hillary's nanny state plan?
How are people in that income bracket helped by having more money taken out of their pay checks for Hillary to funnel off to special interest groups and cover the new over bloated government departments that will be created to administrate over her numerous new plans?
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"The American Dream"
Listen, maybe 44K a year isn't enough to have everything you want, which every fucking American seems to think they are entitled to. But you won't find me crying for someone who can't afford a Cadillac or a new 64" Plasma T.V.
But to say that you CANT raise a kid or send them to college on 44K a year is completely idiotic. My Mom raised me, alone, on whatever the fuck a waitress made in the early 90's. You may not be able to afford the lifestyle you WANT, but who really can?
You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.
Get some self control, live w/in your means, and that is plenty of money.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431715 - 09/20/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.
I never said it was. I added to that being the average income, that another decent chunk of America is living below the poverty line.
44,000 a year does not get you the " American dream" defined by Hillary. This is why you have to vote for her if you are the average American these days, according to her. She says in her free college plan that the middle class needs HELP, and her plans are designed to help the middle class she says.
Speaking on my own, the average home in America is $200,000. To buy it, now with the banks clamping up, you will need Impeccable credit, and if you are money smart, a 20% down payment, otherwise, you will being paying an extra $1,500, a year in mortgage insurance.
A 20% down payment is $40,000. How long will it take you to save that, if you are already married, renting, with a baby or two, and making $44,000 a year?
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7431717 - 09/20/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In 2006, according to the US Census Bureau, the median US household income was determined to be $48,201.
Note that median is not the same as average. Median is the number at which half the households are higher and half the households are lower. As it happens, in 2006 average household income and median household income were practically identical, with the average being $48, 451, but it's not always that close.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431729 - 09/20/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: "The American Dream"
Listen, maybe 44K a year isn't enough to have everything you want, which every fucking American seems to think they are entitled to. But you won't find me crying for someone who can't afford a Cadillac or a new 64" Plasma T.V.
But to say that you CANT raise a kid or send them to college on 44K a year is completely idiotic. My Mom raised me, alone, on whatever the fuck a waitress made in the early 90's. You may not be able to afford the lifestyle you WANT, but who really can?
You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.
Get some self control, live w/in your means, and that is plenty of money.
I never said you couldn't survive on it.
I said, it doesn't buy you the American Dream at Todays prices. Hillary is the one telling you that you should have the American dream, not me.
According to Hillary, the American dream is owning your own home, having health care insurance, being able to raise a family , and send them to college and perhaps, owning your own business.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7431893 - 09/20/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said: You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.
If you are voting for Hillary, she convinced you that those "raking in" $45,000. a year , are charity cases that need all of her free help plans.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7431946 - 09/20/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: In 2006, according to the US Census Bureau, the median US household income was determined to be $48,201.
Note that median is not the same as average. Median is the number at which half the households are higher and half the households are lower. As it happens, in 2006 average household income and median household income were practically identical, with the average being $48, 451, but it's not always that close.
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and most households have at least two incomes..which means that the median individual annual income is 24225.505...after king george takes his cut to pay for iraq..you are left with 15-16k..which doesnt even pay the rent in most cities...
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Annapurna1]
#7432202 - 09/20/07 12:51 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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It doesn't work that way, Anna.
I haven't found a source yet for median individual income for the entire working population of the US, but there are several which give those numbers by category (level of education, for example).
For example, in 2004, men who had completed high school (but had taken no college courses) had a median income of $35,725. Men who had less than 9th grade had a median income of $21,659. Women who had a Master's degree had a median of $51,316, etc.
I'd be interested in seeing what the aggregate median income of individual US workers (all categories) is, but not interested enough to spend hours combing the net for it.
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If you think 44,000 a year is enough to own your own home, raise a family and send them to college with, living the American dream comfortably with, then WHY does anyone need Hillary's nanny state plan?
What the hell are you talking about? Thats per capita income. The avg household income in the states is probably about 70k. That's enough to own a modest home and make car payments unless you live in a place like NYC, LA, DC, SF, etc.
And thats PER CAPITA! ITS AN AVERAGE. That's an average of everyone that's employed. If you happen to be 18 years old and making 44K a year... at your age.. you're pretty damn well off. Even if you're 40 years old and making 44K.... if you're living in the midwest by yourself without being married.. 44K ain't that bad. Hell.. if you make the average household income of about 70K living in somewhere in the midweet like Kansas then you're practically rich.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432314 - 09/20/07 01:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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In 2006, the median annual household income according to the US Census Bureau was determined to be $48,201.[3] The median income per household member (including all working and non-working members above the age of 14) in the year 2006 was $26,036
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
That is what the hell I am talking about. $48,000, is the household figure. Not per capita figure.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432317 - 09/20/07 01:23 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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BrAiN, did you miss my posts? Average annual US household income is US $48.5 k
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Madtowntripper said: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.
40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.
I never said it was. I added to that being the average income, that another decent chunk of America is living below the poverty line.
44,000 a year does not get you the " American dream" defined by Hillary. This is why you have to vote for her if you are the average American these days, according to her. She says in her free college plan that the middle class needs HELP, and her plans are designed to help the middle class she says.
Speaking on my own, the average home in America is $200,000. To buy it, now with the banks clamping up, you will need Impeccable credit, and if you are money smart, a 20% down payment, otherwise, you will being paying an extra $1,500, a year in mortgage insurance.
A 20% down payment is $40,000. How long will it take you to save that, if you are already married, renting, with a baby or two, and making $44,000 a year?
True, it's tough to save 40k to buy a home on your FIRST try... but most people buy more than one home in their lifetime. If you pinch a few pennies like you're SUPPOSED to when you're younger after you buy your first home.. and you stay in your home for a descent amount of time.. 6-7 years.. you'll probably make enough money on your home to cover the down payment on your next place.
If not.. then maybe you don't need a car with a sunroof, a giant LCD tv, leather couches, etc.
If you think the fact that the median household income is 70k in America and that the avg price of a home is 200K is BAD... shit... look at europe. Finaland is one of the only countries that makes more per capita than us (and JUST barely)... and guess what.. their avg price of a home is way more than ours.
I'm not even talking anything about Hillary at this point. Just stop complaining. The average American makes more than enough to get by. If you're single making 44K.. not matter what age you age, you can find a descent 1 bedroom apartment, have a modest car, pay your bills, and make enough money for some fun . If you're at the age where you have 3 kids and need a huge house.. you're probably old enough that between you and your wife, you're making more than enough money.
And if you're not... tell your kids to suck it up and go to community college for a couple of years and try to get some damn A's or try living at HOME with your parents when you go to a 4 year university. Either way will save you about 50% of the normal costs of living on campus at a 4 year university.
Shit.. UCLA is only 1700 dollars a semester for a full time student. If you think that's breakig the bank, you're crazy.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7432346 - 09/20/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: BrAiN, did you miss my posts? Average annual US household income is US $48.5 k
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I find that hard to believe. If the avg income per PERSON is 44K.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432358 - 09/20/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not average income per person, that's GDP per capita. Not the same thing at all.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432365 - 09/20/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually accoridng to wiki you're right....
But
that's including households that are just single ppl by themselves..
The Average household income with TWO people:
$67,348
According to the census.
Don't tell me that's NOT enough to buy a modest home. If you live in the suburbs of a BIG city the cost of a home is going to be way more.. but so is your income.
If you need to make more... you get off your ass, turn off the tv, and try to learn more.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Phred]
#7432384 - 09/20/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Phred said: Men who had less than 9th grade had a median income of $21,659.
I don't feel sorry for these people at all. These people should have tried a little harder when they were younger.
If these lazy assholes happen to have kids.. I'm all for food stamps and giving a little taxpayer welfare to help out the kids.
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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
#7432396 - 09/20/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I can't respond to the first part because your $70,000 assumption is wrong as was shown you.
Thanks for the stats on the cost of a semester at UCLA. Hillary is under the impression that college costs 3,000 for 4 years. Thats the tax credit anyone working will get, after the 4 years, to receive her FREE college plan.
Anyway, I brought up the medium household income, and those below the poverty line, to emphasis the LARGE voting block, Hillary is pandering too, for the poster who said, she is not electable.
While I was at it, it didn't hurt to ask, if anyone thinks, $48,000 allows you to live the American Dream, as she defines it, why does anyone need her "charity case" plans for that income group?
She's useless and will tax us all extra for no reason according to you and madtown tripper.
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Hey, I'm not a Hillary fan at all.
I think I'm on the record as saying that...
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gettinjiggywithit said: I can't respond to the first part because your $70,000 assumption is wrong as was shown you.
Thanks for the stats on the cost of a semester at UCLA. Hillary is under the impression that college costs 3,000 for 4 years. Thats the tax credit anyone working will get, after the 4 years, to receive her FREE college plan.
Anyway, I brought up the medium household income, and those below the poverty line, to emphasis the LARGE voting block, Hillary is pandering too, for the poster who said, she is not electable.
While I was at it, it didn't hurt to ask, if anyone thinks, $48,000 allows you to live the American Dream, as she defines it, why does anyone need her "charity case" plans for that income group?
She's useless and will tax us all extra for no reason according to you and madtown tripper.
I totally agree with you that Hilary is a retard and her idea are ridiculous. I would have trusted her more back when Bill was first in office before she got corrupted (even more than she already was).
But I'm just saying 48K is enough to live comfortably. And a 2 income houseold of 68K (which the census states is the avg income for TWO people that have incomes) ain't bad either. It's more than enough to live comfortably.
I'm actually getting sick of the crappy systems we have now and even worse.. the systems the democrats dream up with to make us more like Europe.
I'm starting to think the European systems aren't that great anyways. I play on Yahoo Pool a lot when i'm killing time and I end up talking to a lot of people in England. By all the fairy tales you hear, it sounds like, even though you have higher taxes, you get free health care. Everytime I bring it up to someone in England they laugh at me and start telling me about all the stipulations.
*Sigh*.. too good to be true
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