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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7289157 - 08/12/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.




This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently. :shrug:




Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum. :shrug:


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7291544 - 08/13/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.




This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently. :shrug:




Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum. :shrug:




Well yes it is pretty ignorant. But because I may have never met a girl who is emotionally stable has nothing to do with age. You guys are right on about ignorance, in my experience with work and social life most girls I meet either "know it all" or really are emotionally unstable. I believe knowledge and wisdom comes with age and Ive still  got a lot to learn at 19 years old.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7292066 - 08/13/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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but Bill would be first lady! c'mon that'd be priceless, even at the cost of what well-being the U.S. has left over..




Actually they decided that Chelsea would be first lady if Hillary were prez. The concern is that having a former president act as first lady would be a violation of the two term limit. It would be too much power for Bill.




Got any cites? Besides, this reasoning is dumb. The presidential term limit is a creature of the constituion. Since the first lady is not the president, nor is she mentioned in the constitution, nor is she afforded any power whatsoever beyond that the president may delegate in his executie duties, nor does she draw a salary, et cet. It would absolutly not be a violation for bill to be the first husband.

And why the hangup on the term first lady? The crier always said "mr. speaker teh president of the united states" when presenting the potus for his sotu speech, then pelosi ascended, and he now says "madam speaker..." Names change, and as first lady is merely a conventional tital, its not like the law needs to be reworked.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: johnm214]
    #7292071 - 08/13/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

anyways, the fact that hillary is a women, and is bill's husband, has nothing to do with why you shouldn't vote for her.

She's unprincipled, intellectually dishonest, hesitant to admit mistakes in some cases, and been around too long to have any excuse for the divergence in her voting record/ rhetoric.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: johnm214]
    #7292080 - 08/13/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

But you better believe she won't send us to a new war.

(And the 8 years of on-the-job training is a hell of a lot more experience than anyone else running)


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: xFrockx]
    #7292142 - 08/13/07 08:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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But you better believe she won't send us to a new war.

(And the 8 years of on-the-job training is a hell of a lot more experience than anyone else running)




Well I don't believe it... Have you been paying attention?

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    I believe that we lost critical time in dealing with Iran... And we cannot take any option off the table in sending a clear message to the current leadership of Iran — that they will not be permitted to acquire nuclear weapons.


  H. Clinton at Princeton

Hillary also stated she had "no regrets" on voting for the iraq war (somehow bush's fault- not hers?) cuz she didn't known no better :sad:  I think she, very recently, changed her mind on this.  Now I think she is sorry... whatever too little too late 
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To the disappointment of some antiwar liberals in her Democratic base, Clinton, the former first lady, voted in favor of the Iraq war resolution in October 2002.

"Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."


  Hillary Not Sorry via CNN

Add in the patriot act, and the flip flopping on that, and you've got a spineless unprincipled yuppie


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: AG Tek]
    #7428365 - 09/19/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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George bush is in power now because people recognized his name. He's not doing so well as a president even though his dad did OK. What makes anybody think Hillary will do well, just because her husband did a good job? You would think we could learn our lesson.




Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.




Meh.... I don't think its anything against women (although Pelosi is fucking retard as well). America just hates Hilary because she's a mean hag. Besides... women her age... they've been through menopause.. After that, the monthly mood swings and temptations to nuke a country every 4 weeks are pretty much over.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7428375 - 09/19/07 02:08 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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AG Tek said:
Hillary wont get voted into office. America wont let it happen. Or any girl for that matter...it sucks to say but girls emotions are nothing like a guys. hahaha well actually it doesnt suck saying that can u imagine what should we be doing if she was in Bush's position right now (34% approval rating)....haha i can she would be crying her self to slep everynight. Any girl would be doing that...their not emotionally stable and I really hope the american people realize that.




This is one of the more ignorant things I've heard recently. :shrug:




Agreed. If you have never met a girl that is emotionally stable you are probably too young to be posting on this forum. :shrug:




Most chicks are just emotionally stable enough to dupe men into thinking they're stable :wink: .. at least just long enough to get a ring on their fingers


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7430626 - 09/19/07 11:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.

Obama has onemajor strike against him. He was raised muslim. There has been only one president in this country's history who was not a portestant christian (JFK, a catholic). In a country that elects 98% WASPS and is already nervous about muslims there is no way that a black man raised muslim can win. It ain't right, but it's the way it is.

As for Hillary, people loved Bill, but she almost completely lacks the warmth and charisma that got him 8 years in office. Add to the fact that she's a woman, and a large portion of the public simply loathes her for whatever reason, and you're left with Hillary having no shot.

Another thing to think about is the way that the taller candidate has a statistical edgein presidential elections. What's hillary? 5' 7", maybe, tops. No shot.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Ziggen]
    #7431309 - 09/20/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I disagree.

I think this election is a whole new ballgame. We have a black dude, a chick, and a mormon that are all pretty heavy contenders. We've never had that much diversity EVER amongst serious candidates. The fact that so many people right now are begging for change... I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hilary or Obama won.

There are SO many people that would love to re-elect Clinton... and would probably vote for Hilary just because of that... although I still think that Obama would be the only chance in Hell at the Democrats getting the White House back (simply because I think more republicans would actually vote for Obama rather than Hilary)

Obama has to be the most tactful, well spoken candidate I've seen in a long time... I don't even know if most people know if he was raised Muslim. Shit.. most republicans I talk to don't seem to give a shit that Mitt is a Mormon. And the fact that Obama's relatively new to politics makes for a strong candidacy because has relatively LITTLE time to actually generate controversy.

You know it's either Hilary or Obama that are going to be nominated by the democrats.. and the fact that people are so sick of the war is probably going to give an extra boost to whoever is the candidate for the Democratic party, regardless if people like that person or not.

Hell look at me.. I've never voted for anyone in the Democratic party... and I'd be damn near tempted to vote for Hilary (a person I can't stand) just because voting for her means that Democrats would have both the whitehouse and congress which means the FUCKING USELESS GOV'T WE'VVE HAD FOR SO LONG MIGHT ACTUALLY *gasp* FUCKING GET SOMETHING DONE FOR ONCE!

Hell.. even if a law gets passed to require that all men get have midgets sown to their scrotums by 2009. I'd almost be happy to see it passed just for the sake of seeing the Executive and Legislative actually agree on something for once in my life!


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7431367 - 09/20/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

> The fact that so many people right now are begging for change... I wouldn't be suprised at all if Hilary or Obama won

Explain how Hillary is a change? She was in office for eight years as 1st lady and has been in the senate since. Same old, same old...

> Obama has to be the most tactful, well spoken candidate I've seen in a long time...

I would agree. Although I don't agree with his platform, he is a very likable person and I have been impressed with his interviews.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Ziggen]
    #7431485 - 09/20/07 09:11 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.




Try getting out more often.

You are speaking of a voting nation that has the TV show American Idol at the top of viewer ratings.

A nation, so lazy to do any research, they vote by sound bites and name recognition, and who was given the most money by special interest groups.

A nation so use to being told what and how to think, little critical independent objective thought is taking place.

A nation, so insecure that going against the status quo of what is "popular" is social climbers suicide.

A nation use to being told by the media, and marketers, what they want and need.

A nation, so eager to have it all now, they want to believe and do believe they can get it from whoever promises to deliver it.

The average household income is $40,000 a year. That sucks. The number of those living below the poverity line is outrageous for this nation. This American majority is elegible to vote. Hillary is promising to give everyone the American Dream and good life , for FREE if you vote for her.

If elections were held tomorrow, Hillary would win. She is a master psychological strategists, and master panderer.

It would take a lot of shake ups, to create wake ups from the spell, to bring about a different result. Fortunately, there is plenty of time before the primaries, and election for that to happen. Doesn't mean it will.

This election is more CRITICAL then any other in our history.

Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.

Want to see the video?


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7431507 - 09/20/07 09:21 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.




No reason? Haven't you read the US Constitution Bill of Rights? Let me help:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble unless they lack a permit, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.




See, right there! It says you can't assemble without a permit. (sarcasm)


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Seuss]
    #7431533 - 09/20/07 09:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

A lady in the video with the group, said they had a permit. ( Not verified though) When the police were repeatedly asked by several people, what the charge was, not a cop said a word. Creepy.

I wonder, if this was a first demonstration/test of the section in the Patriot Act that says, if you speak out against the war on terror, you are deemed a terrorist and loose your rights to habeous corpous.

I'll put the video up in a new post later.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Seuss]
    #7431579 - 09/20/07 10:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Explain how Hillary is a change? She was in office for eight years as 1st lady and has been in the senate since. Same old, same old...





Well.. not having a Bush or a Bush clone in office is change enough for me.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7431585 - 09/20/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Neither Obama nor Hillary are electable.




Try getting out more often.

You are speaking of a voting nation that has the TV show American Idol at the top of viewer ratings.

A nation, so lazy to do any research, they vote by sound bites and name recognition, and who was given the most money by special interest groups.

A nation so use to being told what and how to think, little critical independent objective thought is taking place.

A nation, so insecure that going against the status quo of what is "popular" is social climbers suicide.

A nation use to being told by the media, and marketers, what they want and need.

A nation, so eager to have it all now, they want to believe and do believe they can get it from whoever promises to deliver it.

The average household income is $40,000 a year. That sucks. The number of those living below the poverity line is outrageous for this nation. This American majority is elegible to vote. Hillary is promising to give everyone the American Dream and good life , for FREE if you vote for her.

If elections were held tomorrow, Hillary would win. She is a master psychological strategists, and master panderer.

It would take a lot of shake ups, to create wake ups from the spell, to bring about a different result. Fortunately, there is plenty of time before the primaries, and election for that to happen. Doesn't mean it will.

This election is more CRITICAL then any other in our history.

Just the other day, 3 people were arrested, without being charged, or read their rights, for peacefully reading the U.S. Constitution outside of a pro War rally in a New York City public park.

Want to see the video?




40K avg household income?

According to the CIA factbook

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$44,000 (2006 est.)

That's just ONE person. Household income is probably way more than that.

That's better than 99% of the rest of the world. And the cost of living doesn't seem as bad here as some European countries.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7431611 - 09/20/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: BrAiN]
    #7431637 - 09/20/07 10:29 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

She is a Bush clone. Billary set the stage for Bush BTW. Even her "Free College For Everyone" plan, has the same testing base of the No Child Left Behind forma,t for giving college grants. The same format she criticizes Bush for using in the public schools, which she says is ineffective at providing a good education. You're being played by masters if you haven't caught their being on the same team, making it look like opposing teams , plan.


To your reply to me,

If you think 44,000 a year is enough to own your own home, raise a family and send them to college with, living the American dream comfortably with, then WHY does anyone need Hillary's nanny state plan?

How are people in that income bracket helped by having more money taken out of their pay checks for Hillary to funnel off to special interest groups and cover the new over bloated government departments that will be created to administrate over her numerous new plans?


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7431678 - 09/20/07 10:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"The American Dream"

Listen, maybe 44K a year isn't enough to have everything you want, which every fucking American seems to think they are entitled to. But you won't find me crying for someone who can't afford a Cadillac or a new 64" Plasma T.V.

But to say that you CANT raise a kid or send them to college on 44K a year is completely idiotic. My Mom raised me, alone, on whatever the fuck a waitress made in the early 90's. You may not be able to afford the lifestyle you WANT, but who really can?

You will never convince me that someone who is raking in $45,000 a year is some kind of charity case. That is idiocy of the highest order.

Get some self control, live w/in your means, and that is plenty of money.


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Re: The stupidity of voting for Hillary. [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7431715 - 09/20/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

40K is hardly living on the verge of poverty.




I never said it was. I added to that being the average income, that another decent chunk of America is living below the poverty line.

44,000 a year does not get you the " American dream" defined by Hillary. This is why you have to vote for her if you are the average American these days, according to her. She says in her free college plan that the middle class needs HELP, and her plans are designed to help the middle class she says.



Speaking on my own, the average home in America is $200,000. To buy it, now with the banks clamping up, you will need Impeccable credit, and if you are money smart, a 20% down payment, otherwise, you will being paying an extra $1,500, a year in mortgage insurance.

A 20% down payment is $40,000. How long will it take you to save that, if you are already married, renting, with a baby or two, and making $44,000 a year?


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