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InvisibleIcelander
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Are we getting enlightened yet?
    #7281759 - 08/10/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I was walking and thinking yesterday about the human race and was it getting more spiritual and loving as a whole. Now I don't think this is true myself and history seems to bear this out. (History being a worthwhile subject for study IMO if only to put your own folly/wisdom into context).

The argument goes something like. Well look we don't do slavery anymore so that proves that humanity is making progress. But I thought about this and don't really believe it for a couple possible reasons. One is that most people are still very prejudice in there inner thoughts but now do not act freely on them because of public opinion. Most people would not consider hanging a "nigger" anymore but still hold subtle fears and will discriminate against blacks in all the little safe ways. Like not having close black friends or hanging out in there turf or discriminating in the hiring of minorities and all that shit.

Why are we doing this then? I think it might just be because of population growth. We cannot afford mass discrimination on a global scale because of the ensuing chaos (more than now:whoa:) that because of high populations would throw civilization into the fire.

I don't know if this is true or not but it could be the reason. Because I just do see humanity being any different really then reported a couple of thousand years ago. I say this because humans are still mostly warlike sheep (either real war or economic and social war) that are glued to their cultural programs. And like in the past there are a small group that have really challenged this in their personal experience and another group that are just pretending to be on a spiritual path or just don't have what it takes to pull it off, even though they sort of want to.

As Mr. Natural sez, (and I believe him) "Twas ever thus." I do not see this as cause for despair however. You can still do your own thing to the degree that you are capable. It doesn't really matter if the rest of the world is mad or sane.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Icelander]
    #7281797 - 08/10/07 03:23 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

All of the things that you just discussed are no more than human nature, and there is nothing wrong with these tendencies as long as we try to be aware of them. In the end it is better to accept these things as being a natural and normal part of the human experience while maintaining some awareness of our actions. This is also the best course to take when we see these traits in others. Instead of turning yourself off to that person try to understand the needs that these irrational feelings underscore.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7281807 - 08/10/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

While I agree, this has noting to do with my topic which is,Subject: : Are we getting enlightened yet?

Try not to go off topic on the first response please.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (08/10/07 03:27 PM)

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Icelander]
    #7281815 - 08/10/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I misunderstood. I am truly sorry. I mistook your topic for useless bitching :smile:


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7281845 - 08/10/07 03:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

There is great value in "uselessness".

There once was a great forest full of perfect tall stately trees. Except one tree was knotted and bent. The villagers who loved the forest thought that maybe they should cut that tree so as not to have to look upon it but they were too lazy to worry about a "worthless" tree. One day a new emperor was crowned in the land. He decided he needed the most beautiful palace ever built and so told his soldiers to go to the forest and cut the trees. They did. All but one.;)

Now, back to my post.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Icelander]
    #7281898 - 08/10/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

This just goes to show that you will derail your own threads as easily as I do.


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7281905 - 08/10/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

"He cannot be inaccessible if he is there in his world, hour after hour, day after day."




Especially if he has a cell phone. :tongue:

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Icelander]
    #7281906 - 08/10/07 03:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

it only takes One Spiritual person, or two, or a small handful to uphold the entire world.
there is no reason to think we'd want or need a mass global spiritual awakening.
in my experience, i see more slavery now than i did 20 years ago.
i encounter people all the time who believe they are awake, or aware, or enlightened, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7281942 - 08/10/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with everything you said but your first sentence. Which I doubt greatly.;)


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Veritas]
    #7281946 - 08/10/07 04:07 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, but I don't have to answer it...


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Little Fanning]
    #7281979 - 08/10/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

it only takes One Spiritual person, or two, or a small handful to uphold the entire world.




Do you think that a spiritual person would want to do that? :tongue:


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Icelander]
    #7282261 - 08/10/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I was walking and thinking yesterday...




At the same time?! :eek:


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7282319 - 08/10/07 05:42 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

it only takes One Spiritual person, or two, or a small handful to uphold the entire world.




Do you think that a spiritual person would want to do that? :tongue:




It sounds to me like the propaganda of a ruling priestly class. :shrug:


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Sinbad]
    #7282339 - 08/10/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Yup! :strokebeard:


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7282423 - 08/10/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

But I do think that a few motivated people can change the world considerably.


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7282454 - 08/10/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

it only takes One Spiritual person, or two, or a small handful to uphold the entire world.




Do you think that a spiritual person would want to do that? :tongue:




i don't think,
i Know.

it's not a matter of wanting to
it's a matter of obeying and serving the order of the truth

it's not a matter of trying to accomplish.
it's a matter of not running away from accomplishment, which we all do, that is the nature of Sin.

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7282464 - 08/10/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Do you think that a spiritual person would want to do that?




Yeah, sure. I'll take the job. It might make me a few bucks. Being the spiritual leader for the world would rock. I could grant enlightenment to people at $500 a head...maybe start a franchise...


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7282473 - 08/10/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Quote:

Do you think that a spiritual person would want to do that?




Yeah, sure. I'll take the job. It might make me a few bucks. Being the spiritual leader for the world would rock. I could grant enlightenment to people at $500 a head...maybe start a franchise...




Let's not forget about writing a book and creating a website. :lol:


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All this time I've loved you
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All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
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:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7282486 - 08/10/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I'd pay someone else to do that. I am too spiritual to waste my time on such petty endeavors...I'll just check my bank account.


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Re: Are we getting enlightened yet? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7282494 - 08/10/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

i'd like a check too


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