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OfflineTheDnB_One
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what do you wish you knew from the start?
    #728153 - 07/07/02 02:06 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

is there anything you guys wish you knew from the start? maybe help some of us newbies avoid some pitfalls. i wish i knew about the doubleended method of making cakes....id be alot happier right now if i did.

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Offlineshianggu
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728283 - 07/07/02 03:36 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I think this is an excellent idea!

From my side:
1) I found perlite to be a pain in the ass. When it's wet it sticks to everything. I now use bubbler stones, much cleaner but a little noisy.

2) Grain is so easy to use. I started out doing PF style jars. It's time consuming compared to grain and you have less to work with. If you're going to case I'd say go with grain.

Hopefully other more experienced growers will have something more to add.

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Offlinegoolag
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728323 - 07/07/02 04:09 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Mistakes are part of the hobby. Everyone learns from mistakes making you smarter and better at it. If you knew everything..you wouldn't need to post anything. Trial and error is the key. You'll develop a better understanding of everything this way and always have success


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Offlinewhackedout
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728383 - 07/07/02 04:52 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

How important following directions are, not to experiment till the proven teks are mastered, that patience is what causes mushrooms to grow, that steriltiy is the only way mushrooms are going to have a chance, not to waste supplies on stupid ideas till one has enough experience to come up with viable ideas to start with, that dung will grow more mushrooms with less work, that living next to a mushroom cultivator would be nice............................................. this could go on for pages so I'll stop now.

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Offlineparanoid2
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728431 - 07/07/02 05:20 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I'd known...

1. ...that thrift stores rock! They have lots of cheap supplies like pressure cookers, cool mist humidifiers, rubbermaid storage containers, fish tank heaters, heating pads, etc..

2. ...that you should not remove jars from the PC immediately after cooking, because as they cool they suck in air. And if they are left to cool overnight inside the PC, the air they suck in will be sterile.

3. ....that perlite is a mess and, at least for me, only got RH up to 88%. Invest in a Vicks/Kaz cool mist humidifier especially if you can find one for $2 at a thrift store! Thrift stores rock!

4. ...that building a glove box is a worthwhile investment to avoiding contams.


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OfflineL3D
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728469 - 07/07/02 05:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well the biggest thing i have found helpful is to clean and sterilize the Kitchen(or other room you will be working in) 2 days before. then to use lysol al over for the next 2 days clean it again then prepare every thing.

Also I found it helpful to make an extra jar or 2 jsut to try caseing or another idea you may have. That way you will know what to do the next time. Plus you don;t put all your eggs in 1 basket

Pick a TEK and follow it to the letter.

L3D

Edited by L3D (07/07/02 05:51 AM)

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728518 - 07/07/02 06:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

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OfflineJuki
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728568 - 07/07/02 07:09 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I learned how very very important it was to follow procedure when sterilizing. That was the hardest part for me, avoiding contams

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OfflineTheDnB_One
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728587 - 07/07/02 07:19 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

perlite worked really well for my friend and he wasted money on the cool mist....only got his grow box up to 60%rh where as the perlite is simple and easy, did you strain water through it? the most messy part to my friend is the verm, plus he litterly had to buy a bag that is the same size as himself....it was almost 6 ft long and it had more girth. this is why trial and error is needed cause what works for someone else will ruin all of someone elses jars. details, details, details.....some times my friend starts getting an adrenaline rush when he is making stuff that he skips over some shit...damn adrenaline junkie. if i could have told my friend about the double ended method i beleive it would have saved 6 jars and let the rest fully collied.

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728645 - 07/07/02 07:58 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish the shroomery FAQ existed

www.shroomery.org/FAQ/


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Offlinebassplayer74
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #728975 - 07/07/02 10:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I would have used a cool mist humidifier from the beginning instead of perlite.

I wish I had know about the oven tek sooner. Forget about lysol.

I wish I had know about growing with poo.

I never bought a kit or a pod or anything like that and I'm glad I never did.



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OfflineLaCasta
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: bassplayer74]
    #729203 - 07/07/02 12:05 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I would have know www.sporetradingpost.com is a rip off!


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Offlinevader
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #729835 - 07/07/02 05:20 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Perlite rocks
Casings rock
be very careful you keep your casing soil moist and fluffy
too much water in substrate or casing will ruin everything
get a good measuring cup
rye grain rocks
be sure to shake rye grain after it is pressure cooked and berfore it cools
jars must breathe well
filter disks rock
polyfil sucks
steralise all casing soil well and perlite and basically everything
get a pressure cooker, not neccassarily a pressure canner
only use widely approved and respected teks when starting out
don't case in clear containers
put your colonising jars somewhere warm, in a container and don't check on em more than every 3-4 days. Checking on em a few times a day increases the risk of contamination big time
that's about all I can think of right now, but finally
don't expect huge amounts of shrooms when starting out

Edited by vader (07/07/02 05:22 PM)

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Offlinedracon
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: Juki]
    #729987 - 07/07/02 06:28 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

That its allways going to take longer then you want.


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Invisiblematts
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[Re: dracon]
    #730043 - 07/07/02 07:05 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)


Edited by matts (07/07/02 08:40 PM)

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InvisibleTerrarium_Guy
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: bassplayer74]
    #730412 - 07/07/02 11:40 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I new not to mist my casings too much so I coud have avoided that episode with the green mold.

I wish I tried straw earlier.


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #730505 - 07/08/02 03:14 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

i wish i knew that the shroom wizards method WAS to good to be true. i spent a few attempts, changing one thing at a time, until i finally got it right. lol now my technique has 0 parts of his frankenstiened in, and i get close to 100% success rate.


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OfflineTheDnB_One
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #730568 - 07/08/02 04:27 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

http://mycotopia.net/ -------> then go to invitro double ended casing meth. thats for meat head. thats something else too i wish my friend knew about mycotopia.net

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #730584 - 07/08/02 04:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

That using agar is sooo notabigdeal.
And fun too


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #731321 - 07/08/02 10:42 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I would have read more, took a lot more notes, and stuck with store bought mushies untill I learned what the hell I was doing. (spending money on a bunch of syringes that you never get any shrooms from isn't all that fun)

Oh, and that whole thrift store thing too...I can't believe I never thought of that.





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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #731464 - 07/08/02 11:51 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I would have known about this site before I bought a stupid ass kit. Dookie is is the shit, epescially horse crap with some straw already in it. Shroom Wizards grow guide sucks. I tweaked a little bit and it ended up being like all the good teks on this site. Whoevers in charge should get that shit off of here. None of its as hard as it sounds and the rewards come quicker than anything in the plant family. Be patient!

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #732761 - 07/09/02 12:44 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

nope.....can't think of anything.

I spent months here reading all the posts I could read.....learning all I could learn.
hours and hours on end.....10 to 14 hours a day reading posts.

I didn't ask a question til i saw something someone had built and wanted to know how to make the same thing.....4 or 5 months after being here.

So luvdemshrooms really likes me....lolzzzz
Cause I used the search and I didn't ask stupid questions.....hahaaaa

I think I had great success cause I can follow directions.
I started experimenting.....but I always did a proven tek too at the time.

Ok......I'll bite......I wish I had started working with horse poo sooner!!!!!


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OfflineHammerloaf
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #732848 - 07/09/02 03:35 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Above all else, one thing that is hard to do without actual experience is to know when to birth a casing... or at least I found it so... and how to prepare the best possible casing layer is another biggie.

Oh, and straw is god!

Hammy.

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OfflineTheDnB_One
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #732934 - 07/09/02 04:58 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

hammerloaf- share some info with us please, what did you learn about casings?

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OfflineMadDhAdDeR420
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #732949 - 07/09/02 05:13 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

i ried using birseed the first time going iff the shroom wizard. No success but manange to get a cake of eq from a friend so now i need to go get some horseshit-staw it looks like it works the best.


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #733081 - 07/09/02 06:55 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish I had known how important your sense of smell can be when growing. My nose can easily detect or even identify contaminants that my eyes cannot. Of course, you only learn through personal experience. But here are some guidelines:

If I sniff a PF-tek jar, these smells are good:
sugar or caramel
mushroom (smell a bag of fresh white button mushrooms)

and these smells are bad:
feet
ass
cheese
sour milk
yeast
anything that makes you want to vomit

I am amazed at what I can grow. Some of these contaminants create scents that I have never smelled in my life, but that I instantly know it spells "bad news".


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: definingsound]
    #733230 - 07/09/02 07:51 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I wish i knew about the cool community here at the shroomery....theres a lot of cool people here that love to help out .....id be lost without all of you thanks agin

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #733852 - 07/09/02 11:49 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I am a newbie and made a bonehead move right after innoculation, but luckily I have recovered nicely.

Anyway, I wish I had known to get opaque casing boxes, I have pins going every which way but up it seems. Even with duck tape on the sides they are going haywire.

Thanks



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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: SwondPooping]
    #733911 - 07/09/02 12:10 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I looked at your pictures, the fact that the mushrooms only emerge from the sides indicates that the humidity in your setup is not high enough.

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OfflineFanaTEK
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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #734009 - 07/09/02 12:57 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well, my cat was one of the fortunate ones who found their way to Ryche Hawk's site first, then from there discovered the Shroomery. Most of his early mistakes involved impatience and laziness (didn't fan or mist enough).

Filter discs. Filter discs are proof that god loves us and wants us to grow mushrooms (and be happy).

My cat wishes he lived in a more rural area so he could discreetly farm the countryside.

He also wishes that he'd skipped cakes altogether and went straight for casing with rye berries. So much more worth the effort!

Finally, he wishes that he'd never mentioned that he knew how to grow these things to anyone. He was pretty good and didn't blab it everywhere, but after the fact he thinks it might have been wiser to keep it a complete secret.

FanaTEK


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: TheDnB_One]
    #735768 - 07/10/02 06:00 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well, casing's are best, regardless of what anyone says, to get the best yeild it is for certain that you must case at some point during the life cycle of the mycelial network.

The casing layer is very important, patience and dilligence in the preperation is key.. make sure the materials are prepared correctly, correct h20 saturation, and that the layer is layed out very even, but airy and rough at the same time.

Knowing when to birth is harder to explain, it kinda depends on how things are going at the time, how the surface looks, how quickly it is being colonized... etc..

Hope that helps at least a little.

Hammy.

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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #735840 - 07/10/02 06:42 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I'm glad a few people mentioned Shroom Wizrds grow guide doesn't work. I'm new to this, with one succesful cake growing behind me, I was going to try it next. Thanks for the advice!!


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Re: what do you wish you knew from the start? [Re: imjustagirl]
    #735871 - 07/10/02 07:01 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hepa Filters, jar filters, 3M medical grade face masks, shower cap over your hair when working with agar & Grain to grain transfers. One fully colonized quart will get you 30 - 40 more & quick . SixTango


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