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OverFishing?
    #727685 - 07/07/02 12:05 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You be the judge

1990- 3,500,000 pounds of fish caught
2000- 500,000

Is obvious that the u.s. corporations overfished, and their methods are wrong. Most commercial fishing has moved to outside islands like American Samoa. Where the very famous corporation Starkist procedes in the same overfishing manner. Out of the 600 fish breeding natural water sources, only 200 remain today in hawaii.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #728640 - 07/07/02 09:55 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's not just U.S. corporations there are quite a few other countries who have a higher per capita fish consumption.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #728760 - 07/07/02 10:48 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

****1990- 3,500,000 pounds of fish caught****

That isn't a lot of fish and i think you made up that number as with all your references. The united states doesn't depend on fishing as much as other countries do. But with 270,000,000 million people to feed 3,500,000 lbs of fish is nothing..i say increase it too at least 50,000,000.

Have you any knowledge of fish hatcheries? In our area (Great Lakes) they constantly breed eatable fish.

I caught a 5 lb walleye the other day so that would equal about 700,000 fish @ 3,500,000 lbs....please stop making up shit.

****Starkist procedes in the same overfishing manner***

An Albacore tuna, can wiegh up to about 75 pounds. With this little tidbit it seems that your numbers don't add up. That would mean Starkist could only catch 46,666 fish a year...you're numbers are showing your ignorance..

why do you persist on being ignorant?

****Out of the 600 fish breeding natural water sources, only 200 remain today in hawaii. ****

yeah nevermind the thousands on the mainland..


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #728854 - 07/07/02 11:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The only fish I have seen sold by Hawaiians, are saltwater Aku, and Ahi. Now whatever you were trying to do there, with changing the statistics is wrong. Their is clear facts presented that Hawaii imports 75 percent of the food consumed (an accurage representation, compared to my previous guess at 70 percent) Fish from the Atlantic get flown in. We are not talking about the U.s. Fishing capacity, rather Hawaii's. Hawaii's economy is fucked up because they are not self sufficient, and depend on corporate run tourism. And you were right, nevermind the ones on the mainland. Hawaii's government needs to be able to say no, to corporate takeover of freshwater lakes and streams, in the form of housing pollution runoff, etc...


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #728857 - 07/07/02 11:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I was only mentioning Hawaii also, Starkist runs on American Samoa. Not Hawaii.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: ]
    #728859 - 07/07/02 11:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Your right, other countries do it, fuck saving ours!


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #728956 - 07/07/02 12:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

****The only fish I have seen sold by Hawaiians, are saltwater Aku, and Ahi. Now whatever you were trying to do there, with changing the statistics is wrong.****

Really?

You wrote : Is obvious that the u.s. corporations overfished, and their methods are wrong

FYI the US is comprised of more than Hawaii.....just thought you would like to know that. Us corps aren't over-fishing and if you'd do a little research you'd know that

****an accurage representation, compared to my previous guess at 70 ****

The key word being guess....i think you should of stayed in school fool.

****We are not talking about the U.s. Fishing capacity, rather Hawaii's****

Really? then next time don't say the US corps over fish

****Hawaii's economy is fucked up because they are not self sufficient****

First of all the economy isn't fucked. A lot of well-off people find it a pretty nice place to live. Just because you're poor and can't afford it doesn't make the economy fucked. However your socialist way of thinking is rather fucked.

****and depend on corporate run tourism****

As with most sunny states like Florida..and to some extend my state of Michigan

****Hawaii's government needs to be able to say no, to corporate takeover of freshwater lakes and streams, in the form of housing pollution runoff, etc... *****

Youi make no sense on the main topic i'd prefer you stay away from something off-topic because you are looking more foolish on them as well

Stay in school, fool


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #728968 - 07/07/02 12:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

fuck the off topic disussion then, those statistics I first listed is under debate, right or wrong? those are statewide statistics, that means first: Their is less fish here to catch in the ocean, or 2: Hawaii now imports fish instead of doing their own catching, either way, is not sound economic policy


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: nugsarenice]
    #729710 - 07/07/02 06:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

****fuck the off topic disussion then, those statistics I first listed is under debate, right or wrong?****

No, statistics are factual information gathered....you obviously made them numbers up. This is not a debatable issue, however your credibility is.

****those are statewide statistics****

Then explain your previous posts saying US Corporations overfish....

****Their is less fish here to catch in the ocean****

Everytime you catch a fish there is less fish in the ocean. Explain to me to what extent they are less.

****Hawaii now imports fish instead of doing their own catching, either way, is not sound economic policy ****

Hawaii still catches their own fish at the same time importing. I think it is common knowledge that Hawaii imports a majority of it's materials seeing that it's nothing more than a volcano island. And nugs, you are the last one who should be discussing what makes sound economic policies..ie: your inflation debate.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #730012 - 07/07/02 08:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Innvertigo:
"Us corps aren't over-fishing and if you'd do a little research you'd know that"


"Unless we act now, highly migratory Pacific fish may be in danger of decline
because of overfishing and indiscriminate, non-selective fishing practices that
are common in West Coast waters," said David Wilmot, Ph.D., Director of
the Ocean Wildlife Campaign. "We want to avoid the devastation done to
Atlantic HMS populations, so we are urging Pacific fishery managers to act
now to protect ocean health as well as the economic health of the fishing
industries."

http://www.audubon.org/campaign/lo/ow/pacificfish.html

Responses to the problem of overfishing:

"Fisheries have gained increasing attention. The National Marine Fisheries Service
estimates that fisheries depletions cost $8 billion annually, and 300,000 jobs.
Taxpayer-financed bailouts to U. S. fisheries total about $85 million in the last 2
years. In response, an informal federation of some 125 environmental, fishing,
scientific, and recreational organizations called the Marine Fish Conservation
Network joined to overhaul the Fisheries Act (and thereby fisheries management).
Many but not all of the reforms they initiated are now law."

http://www.seaweb.org/background/safina4.html

m And nugs, there are other fish pulled in by local fisherman--mahi mahi, opakapaka, au, ono, etc. But I do agree with you that Hawaii suffers from overfishing. Some progress has been made--Two years ago a law was passed requiring all longline fishing vessels--longline fishing is a particularly indiscriminate method--to have an authorized observor on board. This wasn't an arbitrary ruling, but a response to overfishing by longliners, not only here but in the Gulf of Texas and California as well.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #730320 - 07/07/02 11:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

One important part is pearl harbor, the whole harbor was originally taken over, the farmland or "marshland" was all converted to sugar plantations, which killed the marshland, and bay, because this was important to the ecosystem, because of baby fish etc. That is an example of a place that is experiencing the affects of "overfising" to the point that their is less fish in the bay now. Also the 90 oil spill , killed a big part of the ecosystem, the fish's ecosystem needs to be restored instead of ignored.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: hongomon]
    #730516 - 07/08/02 05:27 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

****"Unless we act now, highly migratory Pacific fish may be in danger of decline because of overfishing and indiscriminate***

you quoted: "Unless we act now, highly migratory Pacific fish may be in danger of decline because of overfishing and indiscriminate, non-selective fishing practices that are common in West Coast waters"

And you actually believe this? The autobon society may not be the most reliable source ya know. However that doesn't prove your desired point. The question set down was the US as a whole and that couldn't be further from the truth. Sounds a little like the chicken little or global warming scare.

***Fisheries have gained increasing attention. The National Marine Fisheries Service.....***

You're quoting an opinion (editorial) piece? At least you made an attempt to back your opinion, however just because you post a link doesn't make the link effective nor correct. This is an opinion based on one person, hardly proof that the entire US is overfishing.


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Edited by Innvertigo (07/08/02 10:22 AM)


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #730722 - 07/08/02 07:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

OOoh well.. fish are good and they are only their for us to eat.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #730775 - 07/08/02 08:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It's no secret that the oceans are being over-harvested....and not only by the U.S. Japan plays a huge factor in this as well...if you think that nothing has changed, please feel free to ask someone that relies on fishing for a living. Here in Canada, almost an entire province has been devastated by the rapidly decling numbers of fish. These people have relied on the fishing trade for decades and now, quite simply...there is not enough to go around due to the declining numbers and over fishing by not only the Canadian, but by the U.S. and Japan as well...


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: GabbaDj]
    #730813 - 07/08/02 08:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

or in some cases to eat us


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: Rono]
    #731079 - 07/08/02 10:59 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

canadia and japan are the only two countries on erf
that have not totally banned the murder of the largest mammals on erf, the whale....

true, right?

I think that makes your countries evil.


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Re: OverFishing? [Re: PGF]
    #731213 - 07/08/02 11:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I can't speak for Japan, but the whale hunt plays an important cultural role for the Inuit (eskimo) culture. Although I don't have any facts or figures on how many whales are killed by Canada, I doubt it is even in the same league as Japan. Either way, I agree it is wrong...but there is a culture behind it.


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