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kadakuda
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about magash's rye tek.
#7265570 - 08/06/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i am following this tek exactly (except i dont have tyvek, using other stuff. anyway, after my simmer (i havn't even put them in the jar yet) my rye has split open, probably about 50% is split....why is this? i soaked for 19 hours, simmered at 85C for 40 mins. it still feels fine and very shakeable but its split to shit. i will sterilize them later, but i am worried even more will split!
and why exactly is split so bad? people say it slows down growth, why is this?
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GoodbyeOrb
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7265575 - 08/06/07 09:23 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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eh, if 50% is split, something went wrong.
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7265591 - 08/06/07 09:28 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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yah...but what and why? i put them in jars a soaked them for 19 hours in room temp, then strained and rinsed. then i simmered for 40 mins at 85 degrees...then i got this....?
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GoodbyeOrb
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7265610 - 08/06/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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dunno, i use RogerRabbit's tek, available in my sig. I'm imagining that it was all that simmering that did it though.
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7265627 - 08/06/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm ok i will try RR's tek tomorrow when i buy some more jars.
so the abundance of water is likely the key? maybe simmer for 30 mins? 20?
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GoodbyeOrb
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7265636 - 08/06/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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too much heat causes the water to expand and forces the kernels apart is my guess. I don't simmer at all. I boil for 10 mins, like RR. it's not enough heat to pop a bunch, maybe only 5 - 10% at most.
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7265760 - 08/06/07 10:19 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
GoodbyeOrb said: too much heat causes the water to expand and forces the kernels apart is my guess. I don't simmer at all. I boil for 10 mins, like RR. it's not enough heat to pop a bunch, maybe only 5 - 10% at most.
Yea I agree 50% is WAY to much breakage I'd scrap that bunch and try again. I boil mine as well, though I don't have any set time I boil. I just keep boiling/stirring them until I notice a couple kernels have split then strain and load em into the jars.
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
#7265770 - 08/06/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It was most certainly the simmer that did it,either too long or too hot,Although I still regard that tek to be my favorite one here I have taken to skipping the simmer and just soaking for twice as long,first rinse and rinse till everything running off is clear and than fill with water as hot as you can get if from the tap,add gypsum(To taste) and than soak for like 2 days till it smells like you are storing a rotting corpse in your closet .. works nearly every time
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7266035 - 08/06/07 11:39 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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it split because you're supposed to simmer for 10-20 minutes. you also should have soaked for for 24 hours plus.
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: xhooliganx]
#7266323 - 08/06/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are so many variances in an individuals procedure that one cannot say that it needs to be done this or that way.
For example, I soak for 18-24 hours and simmer for 40 minutes at 170 degrees. If I soak for more than 24 hours, my grains begin to sprout and the one time I attempted to colonize sprouted grains, I had a 0% rate of success.
Are you using rye berries and not rye seed? Like stated above, they were simmered for too long at too hot of a temp. You're looking to simmer grains until you can see a single grain that has burst. This tells you that they are fully hydrated.
Look into the brand of rye that you're using. Pick up a second type and try the procedure again. I like to slowly simmer grains so I can monitor them closely with a wooden spoon.
Last but not least, make sure you drain them well after their final rinse. I suggest 15 minutes in a colander, and then a firm thrust of the colander to rid of excess moisture on the bottom. If you're forced into using two colanders in two sinks, use half of one, give it a good shake, and just fill jars from the other until the remaining moisture has had time to settle. This will ensure that the moisture content is equivilent between all jars, thus preventing a percentage of your jars developing a wet spot contamination.
Have fun and be well.
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: TheFish]
#7268730 - 08/06/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok thanks. this is what i dont understand. magash says 45 minutes.
thefish, you said you did 40 mins at 170 degrees. that is double my temps...seems strange that mine split and yours and magash's didnt. could it be the rye is just different quality?
yes i am using rye berries
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7272004 - 08/07/07 09:06 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't understand exactly.
Are you saying that you "simmer" at 85 degrees? I see that as a warm bath and not so much a simmer. My guess is that it's the quality of the grain, or more so the size of the grain.
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: TheFish]
#7272036 - 08/07/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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I soak for 24
then BOIL the water on high, constantly stirring it and checking it. I know it's done when I see about 5 grains in every spoonful split.
then pour into a coliander while still hot. and allow to sit untill dry. (stir it a bit to release steam)
add a little bit of lightly moistened coir if you have too many split, the coir helps to suck up excess water and sticky stuff from the split grains.
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: aspore]
#7273029 - 08/08/07 02:22 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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seems its the simmer. before i would bring it to a boil then let it simmer at 85 C for 40 mins. 85c is a simmer, it is a very very light boil, few bubbles. i just tried another batch doing the same soak and boiling it for 10 mins, this time almost none split, so i think i am good to go.
thanks for the help folks!!!
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7273071 - 08/08/07 02:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive had mt best results with rye by soaking for like two whole days till it smells funny,lather rinse and repeat numerous times to return is clear than simmer for like 20 min only than strain until it looks dry,jar it up,fire up the PC and get to work
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: Blutjager]
#7273290 - 08/08/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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i will try some more for 2 days. this time it was 24 hours and was starting to smell funky (nothing like wbs though!). i have been really busy so i left it soaking some more until; tonight when i sterilize it.
2 days, it doesn't germinate the seeds? i planted some rye and it sprouted on day 2 out of the soil...
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kadakuda
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7276036 - 08/08/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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how does this rye look? this is without 40miute simmer, just 10 minute boil.
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Re: about magash's rye tek. [Re: kadakuda]
#7276150 - 08/08/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 7 months ago) |
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It looks good. Some look more so wet than others, but that should balance once you pc them.
Make sure you shake the jars after cooking once your pressure has come to zero. It should help to redistribute some of the moisture and also prevent clumping later down the road.
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