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NStoney
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MGMC issues
#7275214 - 08/08/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm having some issues with MGMC. The primary issue is relating to my jars where I put a layer of MGMC on the bottom to help w/ moisture control.
I inoculated about 10 jars (2cc's each) with 2 syringes that each got an entire print (1-2" cap). You could barely see through the syringes they were so loaded with spores. Well the jars TOOK OFF like crazy because I inoculated with so many spores. In fact these jars are colonizing faster than anything I've ever done (G2G's, LC's, etc). In addition the mycelium is the most dense rhizomorphic healthy looking stuff i've ever seen.
The issue is that the super healthy mycelium has started colonizing MGMC on the bottom of the jars. Its not really a problem, i'm just gonna crumble and spawn it anyway, but I was wondering how mycelium can colonize MGMC seeing as it has no nutes. Has anyone else ever experienced this?
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mycocurious
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Re: MGMC issues [Re: NStoney]
#7275249 - 08/08/07 05:59 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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the mgmc in the jars... hmm, really, in the jars? I've never heard of it used as anything other than a casing on a bulk substrate
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well mycelium has also been knows to colonize perlite, but you should stop putting mgmc in your jars cause that's pointless
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shroom1957
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Miracle-Gro® Moisture Control® Potting Mix
Formulated with AquaCoir® natural fiber technology to absorb excess water and release it to the plant as needed. Protects against over- and under-watering. Enriched with Miracle-Gro® Plant Food. Ideal for all potted plants, especially outdoor container plants that are more prone to heat and drought.
Looks like Coir and nutes to me.
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mycocurious
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it's not really, nutrient rich, not for mushies...plants and mushies don't eat the same thing. the nutes that plants eat aren't the same as what mushies eat.
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figgusfiddus
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Has nothing to do with whether plants and mushies eat the same thing. Don't get me started on that! Plants don't EAT anything. They get their energy from sunlight, and their trace nutrients (minerals etc) come from the same place shrooms get theirs (and in a more or less similar balance). The fact is, MGMC, sphagnum peat, and coir are all reasonably nutritious (especially coir), they just don't contain as much accessible energy as say, horse shit or grains or rice flour.
So this happened because MGMC does contain some nutrients, it's just not "nutrient-rich" by substrate standards. Cubes are not very picky about what they will colonize: they will attack perlite, verm, and even air, in a sense, in the blind search for new sources of nutrition and moisture. Since MGMC has some, in the form of some kind of processed coir from what it looks like, the mycelium was all too happy to take it over once it started to run out of other options.
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shroom1957
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I wasn't saying it was 'nutrient rich', just that it had nutrients as well as Coir which has been used as substrate by some. FOAF has seen mycellium overrun vermiculite in the bottom of a jar when making the old double ended casing TEKs. Not a concern I would think.
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NStoney
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Duh... it's got coir in it, that makes perfect sense. I'm sure the mycelium is happy to munch on whatever nutes the processed coir has left in it. No biggie though, its gonna get spawned anyway.
As far as the additives go, I thought the mycelium was totally impartial to the plant food additives, seeing as how they are designed for feeding plants not fungi. I'm starting to think this isn't totally true though, because this would also explain how cobweb started growing on the Miracle Grow brand perlite that was sittin in the bottom of my empty FC for a few weeks. Damn that miracle grow fertalizer crap!
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Re: MGMC issues [Re: NStoney]
#7275993 - 08/08/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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As far as the additives go, I thought the mycelium was totally impartial to the plant food additives, seeing as how they are designed for feeding plants not fungi. I'm starting to think this isn't totally true though...
Well, look at it this way: plant food doesn't feed plants, it just gives them the things they need in relatively small amounts to survive. It's more like a multivitamin pill than a buffet. Same with shrooms; sometimes shrooms need a "multivitamin pill" too, or if they don't necessarily need it, it's not a bad idea for keeping them healthy. Now, the ideal shroom balance might be a little different from the ideal plant balance, and therein lies the rub... but to further the analogy, say a woman only had "men's" multivitamins, right? Now, she might not get quite as much iron as would be perfect... instead she'll get an extra boost of a few things she's probably not going to need as much. However, it's not like it's going to make her head explode and her neck start spewing lava; it's still good for her, it's just not ideal.
People in this hobby tend to get a little OCD about "effective" versus "ideal", and I really do think this is one example of that tendency.
I do think shrooms get most of what they need from their substrate, though. Plants are grown on the same substrate over and over, year after year; that's why we fertilize soil, to rejuvenate it. Since shrooms get new "soil" each time, they also get a fresh supply of those trace nutrients. I'm sure it varies, depending on how rich each substrate is in those trace minerals. This is just a hypothesis, though, and I think there's plenty of room for thorough experimentation.
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Edited by figgusfiddus (08/08/07 09:18 PM)
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Feanor


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Quote:
figgusfiddus said:
So this happened because MGMC does contain some nutrients, it's just not "nutrient-rich" by substrate standards. Cubes are not very picky about what they will colonize: they will attack perlite, verm, and even air, in a sense, in the blind search for new sources of nutrition and moisture. Since MGMC has some, in the form of some kind of processed coir from what it looks like, the mycelium was all too happy to take it over once it started to run out of other options.
Yup, I've even seen cubes colonize on the sides of plastic tubs... 4 real!
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veilbreaker
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Re: MGMC issues [Re: Feanor]
#7276048 - 08/08/07 09:29 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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longbottom_leaf said:
Yup, I've even seen cubes colonize on the sides of plastic tubs... 4 real!
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