onlynow said:

well, can I fit into an atom?

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No.

Next?

Edit: Okay, sorry, my purpose here shouldn't be humor (if you can call it that). Look at it this way: You've asked whether the complexity of your being can be contained within a symbolic scientific figure describing a particle. That is why the answer is no. I'm sorry I couldn't make it more interesting. If you want a metaphysico-theologico-cosmolonigological answer to your question, I'm sure you can find one in the posts above mine.

psyka said:

Any interaction infers SOME kind of awareness.

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psyka said:

It really depends on what your definition of awareness is. Essentially, you are just a vat of chemical reactions - basically, a complex series of causal interactions. The "self" is not found in any single interaction, it is the sum of them... an interaction emergent illusion.

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Quote:

"God is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."

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onlynow said:

well, can I fit into an atom?

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If you can get the concept of an atom to fill your entire being than you have succeeded. 

A mantra of sorts.

figgusfiddus said:

The sensation of self is a feedback loop.

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figgusfiddus said:

A basic particle that is simply pulled around is in no way self-aware and in no way decides anything. It doesn't have thoughts, it has governing principles--the inverse square law, and a handful of others, some known and unknown to we humans.

Animism is fun and all, but it's not exactly justifiable in any rational way.

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shakercee said:

Well, when the Big Crunch happens, when the Universe collapses back into itself, then may be awareness will fit back into an atom..

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Quoiyaien said:

onlynow said:

well, can I fit into an atom?

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If you can get the concept of an atom to fill your entire being than you have succeeded. 

A mantra of sorts.

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figgusfiddus said:

Quote:

"God is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere."

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Magic is a rhombus whose nonsense is apparent and whose babble babble jibberish...

It looks like Pantheism and Euclid started with a fistfight and ended with some kind of projectile diarrhea contest.

That's a nonsense statement. Why are we so in love with pretty-sounding nonsense statements? Are we all really that base? Can't we even tell when we're making them?

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we don't all intend on competing with eachother.  that is childish!  if you perceive us to be the contending type, maybe your perception is a reflection of a part of yourself you fail to see.

you should listen to oprah more

Quote:

The Shamer
This person can be hazardous to your health. The shamer may cut you off, put you down, reprimand you, or make fun of your or your ideas in front of others. He often ignores your boundaries and may try to convince you that his criticism is for you own good. The shamer is the kind of person who makes you question your own sanity before his.

The Discounter
This is the person who discounts or challenges everything you say. Often, she has a strong need to be right and can find fault with any position. It can be exhausting to have a conversation with the discounter, so eventually you end up giving in and deciding to just listen.

http://www2.oprah.com/spiritself/lybl/control/ss_lybl_control_10_b.jhtml

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crumblebum said:

it takes X ammount of brain mass to yield the phenomenon of "Awareness"

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In the isolation from any external light the third eye (pineal gland) overflows with certain neurotransmitters that awaken the higher brain, the ability to imprint the brain. The imagination begins to externalise, and even when you open your eyes you walk within your imagination. It projects outwards and becomes a vivid light experience.

The brain becomes aware in its nervous system of itself. The nervous system starts to become aware of what it is doing, which makes it having the ability to program itself.

In the first 3 days one has sleep therapy, but once the pineal gland overflows the somatic neuro transmitters, you are having a wide open brain, like it was in the womb. In this state one can go to the metaprograms and establish a new electrical pathway. Not just a magnetic shift (which most adult metaprograming is based on), but engage an electrical shift in the core brain.

Therefore, one has an adjusted view of how one filters reality and sees the interactivity by which one sees reality. The brain creates a hologram not the external world. When one comes out of the DR, one sees the light particles coming in through the eyes, and suddenly you become aware how everything you are seeing out there is actually created in your own head.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DR.html

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onlynow said:

crumblebum said:

it takes X ammount of brain mass to yield the phenomenon of "Awareness"

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plz explain, i think i understand but i may not.

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crumblebum said:

onlynow said:

crumblebum said:

it takes X ammount of brain mass to yield the phenomenon of "Awareness"

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plz explain, i think i understand but i may not.

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Humans are aware. Dolphins and monkeys are probably aware. Mice, rats, and small reptiles are probably not aware. Insects are really, really probably not aware. Plants are definaly not aware. And the factor that increases with this scale is brain mass.

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onlynow said:

i read somewhere that our nervous system can become aware of itself... what does this mean?

Quote:

In the isolation from any external light the third eye (pineal gland) overflows with certain neurotransmitters that awaken the higher brain, the ability to imprint the brain. The imagination begins to externalise, and even when you open your eyes you walk within your imagination. It projects outwards and becomes a vivid light experience.

The brain becomes aware in its nervous system of itself. The nervous system starts to become aware of what it is doing, which makes it having the ability to program itself.

In the first 3 days one has sleep therapy, but once the pineal gland overflows the somatic neuro transmitters, you are having a wide open brain, like it was in the womb. In this state one can go to the metaprograms and establish a new electrical pathway. Not just a magnetic shift (which most adult metaprograming is based on), but engage an electrical shift in the core brain.

Therefore, one has an adjusted view of how one filters reality and sees the interactivity by which one sees reality. The brain creates a hologram not the external world. When one comes out of the DR, one sees the light particles coming in through the eyes, and suddenly you become aware how everything you are seeing out there is actually created in your own head.

http://www.akasha.de/~aton/DR.html

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the above is based on the Dark Room experience. i don't know if it has anything to do with my original topic but i felt the want to bring it up for all you curious people and deniers of the ultimate unicorn reality.

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onlynow said:

crumblebum said:

onlynow said:

crumblebum said:

it takes X ammount of brain mass to yield the phenomenon of "Awareness"

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plz explain, i think i understand but i may not.

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Humans are aware. Dolphins and monkeys are probably aware. Mice, rats, and small reptiles are probably not aware. Insects are really, really probably not aware. Plants are definaly not aware. And the factor that increases with this scale is brain mass.

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if mice, rats, reptiles and insects are not aware, then what are they? an automatic mechanical process? if they are not aware then how can they move their bodies? i think when i kill an ant then it is no longer aware.

lol, this is great

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