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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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OfflineKonnrade
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2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17...
    #7250260 - 08/02/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

__ , __ , __ , __ , __ , __ , __ , __ , __ , __ ?


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250265 - 08/02/07 05:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250267 - 08/02/07 05:01 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250274 - 08/02/07 05:03 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

19, 23, 29, 31, 37........


i sure could use $100000.


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250281 - 08/02/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

those are some priiime lookin numbers there Konnrade.


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250285 - 08/02/07 05:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250307 - 08/02/07 05:22 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ok he gotit...
damn....


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250330 - 08/02/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144...


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: trendal]
    #7250340 - 08/02/07 05:46 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

mathematics is the language of naaaaaature....
yay now i have Hybrid's mix of BT's Fibbonoci sequence in meh head.....too early


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250347 - 08/02/07 05:50 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

mathematics is the language of man. It is created.

A completley different approach to mathematica could have happened. What if it was based on the number 9 or 13 or 25 instead of 10!?
As in:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 10
(10 takes the value of 9)
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 20
(20 takes the value of 18)
and so on. It seems confusing at first, but then it is apparent that humans just picked the most logical number to build a number system off of......10-the number of fingers
perfection in simplicity


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: The Crow]
    #7250351 - 08/02/07 05:52 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

the number base doesnt matter. we could be counting things in binary and they would still conform to the fibbonaci sequence


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Re: 2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17... [Re: The Crow]
    #7250364 - 08/02/07 05:59 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

mathematics is the language of man. It is created.

No....we might have made up our own words, but the syntax and grammar are all nature's :wink:


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If a tree falls in the forest.......... [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250376 - 08/02/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If mathematics exist naturally, but man never discovers them, do mathematics still exist as a concept if there is noone to define it?


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Re: If a tree falls in the forest.......... [Re: The Crow]
    #7250380 - 08/02/07 06:07 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

If mathematics exist naturally, but man never discovers them, do mathematics exist?

Again...yes. The actual words and symbols we use doesn't change anything.


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I like hot dogs [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250394 - 08/02/07 06:15 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I always thought of mathematics as an invention...
syntax and grammar are all nature's ???
elaborate


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Re: I like hot dogs [Re: The Crow]
    #7250420 - 08/02/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

its a language/method of quantifying the natural process and tendancies to the human brain.


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Re: I like hot dogs [Re: The Crow]
    #7250442 - 08/02/07 07:00 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

I mean that although we may have defined symbols for '1' and '2'...there are certain properties of 1 and 2 that will exist independently of the symbols we use. 2 will always be grater than 1, and it will always be exactly twice as big.

I was speaking metaphorically, and using the idea of mathematics as a language in doing so :wink:


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Re: I like hot dogs [Re: The Crow]
    #7250443 - 08/02/07 07:01 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

The Crow said:
I always thought of mathematics as an invention...
syntax and grammar are all nature's ???
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there are two stones by the river bank.

there is one and the other.

we may have named them "two,"

but regardless of what we call them, they self-evidently still count as one and the other.


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Re: I like hot dogs....alot! [Re: Konnrade]
    #7250451 - 08/02/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

but this is inventing by humans. Not the fact that that there are "2", but the concept of adding and subtracting and whatnot


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Re: I like hot dogs....alot! [Re: The Crow]
    #7250457 - 08/02/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

you are right, the concept of anything is always a human creation.

the reality behind the concept exists independently of the invention however, which is the point we were trying to bring across.


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