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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72491 - 01/21/00 10:01 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

hi delyrium

i too started out as a newbie and asked questions on this bb for answers...but...within your quote of:

"Shookster, I printed out the WHOLE MMGG (all 56 pages) and I read through it all and I find it very useless for me. It has no information that helps me. yes it has information but not in depth enough. I didn't know how to prepare my kitchen for making the subtrate jars, and I didn't know I had to tape the jars...damnit this fuckin blows."

i started off with the mmgg and i'm not a deep thinker like you (as you claim), and i still understood it. what you've got to do is stop the panic and read the "grow/find" section of this website. within "grow/find" you'll see various documents from how to prepare your kitchen to perlite humidification methods. just don't post here and act like a total twat...use ur eyes and brain not your mouth (or in this case hands) to bitch!! and really, it's quite simple to tape your jars, there's holes on the lid where you have to just put tape over it...

i hope i don't sound mean by this one, but really anyone can do cultivation. it's not hard at all, and i'm sure you'll be successful at it if u have patience and do a little more research.


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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72492 - 01/21/00 10:06 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Del, you really are a crackhead with too much time on yer hands. No offense. Well, actually yes offense. You're a crackhead like shroommastermeth, maybe a _bit_ more intelligent, but dumb as shit nonetheless. I'm sorry if I made you cry now. No I'm not. Cause I AM a mean asshole. Any rather enjoying it. And you're wasting shroomery space with your big ass... signature.

Man I so enjoyed that.

I hope you flip some guy the bird, he cuts you off and you're forced to swerve, in front of a Beatles tour bus, a football team, a FedEx truck, hauling hazardrous biological waste, the light turns red you have no grace and Hardcopy gets it all on tape so you can see the look on your face.


Man am I in a bad mood or WHAT?


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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72493 - 01/21/00 10:07 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Next time dont open the jars to smell them, they remain closed until birthing unless u like contams. i dont thnk u should be even able to smell them. do it by sight kee them covered with foil.


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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72494 - 01/21/00 10:53 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Something for new growers to watch out for, a brown rice and vermiculte jar, after sterilization and before heavy colonization will frequently have an unpleasent, sour odor.

I find that completely sterile jars will frequently smell pretty sour until the mycillia takes over (then it gets that great mushroom smell).

Unless you see nasty shit growing in there, just leave it alone. I never throw out a cake until it is obviously infected.

Delyrium, if 100% of your jars became infected (that is, you can actually see something other than the mycillia growing in all 8 jars), there are only two possabilities. Either your syringe was badly infected, or your substrate was not sterilized. The latter is the most likely.

I'd recommend reviewing your sterilization procedure.

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72487 - 01/22/00 12:54 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Well kake, Del's only been here like a month or so, and those 500 posts have been on things like "eat my pussy" and "dxm is illegal" and "me for moderator" so the fact that she's having problems growing don't surprise me.. ANyhow, Del just read the MMGG, if you read it coupled with a little intelligence you should have no problems. Also a good idea is to ask people in the chat room for help they are very wise when it comes to these things


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Head Banana

Registered: 10/27/99
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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72488 - 01/22/00 04:39 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Hi Delyrium,
It's nice to see that you've started to grow. It's not nice to see that you're having problems. SO...here's a few things that I do when working with half pint jars.

First, let me talk about the jar itself. The reason that it needs to be straight or a "wide mouth" is so that you can slide the cake out when its ready to be birthed. If the jar is tapered or gets narrow at the top, it won't work. Want to figure out how a jar (any jar) will work, turn it upside down and picture a thick white cake sliding out of it:-)

I wash my jars out with water, just to get any dirt or dust out. I don't use soap becuase I don't want any residue left in the jar.

Mix your substrate. I think you said you were working with brown rice flour. Here are the amounts that I use and I've had excellent results with it.

To make 6 - 1/2 pint jars:
1 cup of brown rice flour
4 cups of vermiculite
1 cup of distilled water

Lana's one-4-one recipe:-)

Mix up all the contents in a bowl, make sure you use distilled water ($1.00 a gallon in any supermarket) This is so important I think. Tap water has many chemicals and it just doesn't work well, if at all.

Mix them all up well.

Then, grab one of your jars, put in enough substrate to fill it up unitl about 1/2 an inch from the top. Then fill the rest of the jar with 100% straight vermiculite. It supposedly helps to keep the contaminates out.

Now, The lids. I put 4 holes in the lids with the rubber seal facing upwards. I don't cover it up with foil becuase if the foil isn't securely attached on the jars, then you're done. The boiling water will seap into your jars and your substrate is garbage.

I use masking tape (the white kind that you use for packagaes) Cover up the holes with the tape. Get 2 pieces and make a cross on the lid. OH...put the lids on the jars before you put the tape on the lids. It just makes things easier.

The tape on the lid is that last thing I do before cooking my cakes:-)

It's really up to you on how you want to cook them. You don't need a pressure cooker. They're nice but for brown rice flour, they're not essential. I use a canning pot ($12.00) it has a little metal rack that you can set the jars in to keep them off of the bottom of the pot.

Ok, you've got your jars full of substrate. Your pot is boiling with water, now... What I do is loosen the lids on the jars. Not so they're dangling on the jar, but loose enough as if I wanted to, I could spin the lid off with one strong twist.

Put your jars in the pot, very important. You don't want the water to boil or bubble into your jars. I learned this the hard way;-)

I bought a canning pot just for this reason because it comes with a metal rack that attaches to the sides of the pot. It suspends your jars above the water and only the steam hits them.

After that, just put your jars in, and let them cook. Check them every so often to make sure that there's no water seeping into the jars.

Cook for at least one hour. I do it for 70 minutes sometimes just to feel safe.

Let your jars cool down.

Rip off the tape, innoculate with a clean syringe, and recover the holes with new tape.

Give it a shot!!!

Good Luck

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72489 - 01/22/00 08:35 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

AHH! Yes...finally someone who is giving me step by step instructions. Thank you Lana. It's been a bitch but i'll go and try your method.

Benzl and kake, first off I am a chick. And also, I am here and posting because I post on Off Topic, Other Drug, Trip Tips etc. I have decided to start growing after talking to other people. You'd be amazed at the people that DON'T grow. So stop being such a fuck, and give help. The only reason there might be 200 posts by the time i'm done is because of assholes like Benzl that give NO help...just talk outta their ass.

But thanks everyone. I'm gonna start tomorrow and after work today I'll go to some cooking store and get me a pressure cooker.

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72490 - 01/22/00 09:52 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Not to be a mean bastard or anything, but Delyrium, are you completely retarded?!?! I mean come on, everyone else can read the MMGG and grow fine. If not they read the PF-TEK and still get it accomplished. I mean, my first time I didn't use either of these methods, nore have TMC(I luv dis book). I feel really sorry for you that you can't comprehend simple instructions and really wish that you would pull your teenage head out of your ass for 5 minutes so that you can actually READ and FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS! Then you go off being mean to people that told you to read MMGG, and basically everything Lana said was from MMGG, yet you INSISTED that MMGG didn't contain the neccesary information. Have A NICE DAY!

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72495 - 01/22/00 11:23 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Delyrium, you said:

"assholes like Benzl that give NO help...just talk outta their ass."

This is the person who pioneered one of the easiest small bulk-growing teks available - the first stage up from MMGG that allows partially-fruited cakes to run spawn through huge bowls of compost. It produces several more flushes and ounces of 'shrooms from something that fits in a single drawer.

This is the person who pioneered some of the microwave sterilisation techniques.

He has contributed small but significant advancements in home mycology. Something which you have yet to accomplish.

Learn who these people are before you disrespect them.

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72496 - 01/22/00 11:24 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Pjs and Ripper, dont' be fucks, dude. Not everyone gets it the first time. You could've just gotten lucky. Plus, we don't even know if it's her fault. She got the syringe from a friend, so who knows what type of condition it was in. No need for direct flames. If you feel like yelling at her, send a private message.


Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value the one above the other.  -- H.P. Lovecraft "The Silver Key"

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72497 - 01/22/00 11:43 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

hmmmm stop the bitching my friends and help the girl and del becareful of what you say to people here, you are infact the one looking for help!
Now lana and code are some of the best to get help from but I think your problem is you dont see where a problem will come from and if you do you need to no how to imprevise.
Best thing you can do is study EVERYTHING in the shroomery, all the teks, read every post that relates to growing and you will be suprised on how much fun this will turn into... Also use the chat room if you need answers at that moment other wise just post it and you will get answer.. goodluck!!

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72498 - 01/22/00 12:11 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

There is such a wealth of information available in the grow/find section. I think you should read everything available there.

I recomend you read the pf tek. You can find it at www.fanaticus.com . This tek is virtually fool proof for the first timer.

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72499 - 01/22/00 12:26 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

It's Always nice to see someone new to the "hobby". Unfortunately you have a little problem with your first attempt.I know a lot of people who mess up on the first try, not me though. :wink: I can only really give you 3 tips that have helped me out.

1.Make your own Brown Rice flour
A coffee grinder works best, just make sure it's sterile.For somereason I always get more shrooms/flushes when I make my own.
2.Sterile Enviroment is key , It probably is the most important influence. Make sure everything has been washed reall well.
3. I would use a Pf Tek syringe as they are a lot more forgiving then some strains.
I know thats not a lot of info but I hope it helps,
Good Luck

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72500 - 01/22/00 12:27 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

I will be your shroom parent, just trade sex for knowledge

Mad skills, you know this!!!

I am here to Myth Bust

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72501 - 01/22/00 01:15 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

I am not suprised this turned into a flame thread. Del - You have a job right? Well buy "The Mushroom Cultivator" written by Paul Stamets and J.S. Chilton and "Growing Gormet and Medical Mushrooms" written by Paul Stamets. Read both of these books cover to cover... I got to go... Plan out what it is you are going to do exactly before you start. Peace.

[This message has been edited by sean123 (edited January 22, 2000).]

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72502 - 01/22/00 05:21 PM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Not even gonna read both pages, Del, you read MMGG well read it again, and also read Ryche's Tips on sterility....I read the MMGG and implimented Ryches cleaning along with my own "common" sense and I had no probs. granted I used an autoclave,(same thing as a pressure cooker) its not a "have to" for brown rice/verm cakes...Seriously read all the teks, all the tips....you can never know enough on this subject.

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72503 - 01/23/00 11:51 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Many times it has been said that having a sterile environment is very important. If you are doing something that requires having your substrate open to the environment, this is no doubt true, however, if you are using a simple jar tek (ala PF Tek), I don't believe that a sterile environment is necessary.

Since the only time your sterilized substrate will be exposed to the outside environment is during innoculation, and then only for the few moments it takes to inject solution, the chances of airborn contaminantes infecting your substrate is vanishing small.

If you are making your own prints sterility is certainly more important, as is (I suspect) seasonal and regional variations in the environment. I live in a fairly dry area, which may account for some of my low incidence of contamination with jar teks, even though my sterility practices are fairly lax. In very damp areas I would not be suprised to find a much higher count of viable airborn spores and bacterial contaminants (but then I'm just speculating).

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Re: Adopt A *NEWBIE* Grower
    #72504 - 01/24/00 03:04 AM (23 years, 10 months ago)

Delyrium : You should do some reading up.

When I started out as a first time grower I read _all_ tek's available. I then put 2 & 2 together (It got to be 9, right?) and made my own tek and put it threw extensive experimentation.

Out of my first attempt, 2 jars grew. That was all! I was happy anything grew at all, since I was "just experimenting". You can't expect perfect harvests on your first time.

Nowadays, if I want to grow mushrooms, I get perfect results & great harvests every time with a tek that some people would call old fashioned (& retarded perhaps).
But I still experiment, I think that it is a great learning experience and a _must_.

I hope to have shed some light.

Sorry you got flamed here, but you brought it upon yourself. I shall not contribute this time... But next time, Gadget... Next time... :smile:
(I am of course joking... I am a nice moomin. (at least as long as I am asleep...))


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