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Nature vs. Nurture
    #7220778 - 07/25/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Much like this age old debate I think that certain aspects of tripping and experiencing drugs in general... some people are more attuned than others.

However I find myself at a strange juxtapose...

In day to day life I find that "all things being equal" I follow the nurture path...

As far as drugs go... and psychedelics especially... I get the feeling that nature is key.

strange I know...


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: kimikiri]
    #7221011 - 07/25/07 06:00 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

im not getting what point you're trying to make?
are you talking about tolerance?


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: Kanker]
    #7221044 - 07/25/07 06:27 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: kimikiri]
    #7221058 - 07/25/07 06:41 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

I think he means that generally he's more in favour of nurture being the defining aspect of each individual, but when it comes to psychedelics certain people seem to be naturally predisposed to a good or bad experience.


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7221276 - 07/25/07 08:58 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Well yeah, everyone reacts differently to drugs. Know yourself and know your substance! Then find someplace good to trip in, free of annoying distractions.

Going down a motorway at 90mph where speed cameras and police patrol is not conductive for a good trip.


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7224558 - 07/25/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 8 months ago)

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I think he means that generally he's more in favour of nurture being the defining aspect of each individual, but when it comes to psychedelics certain people seem to be naturally predisposed to a good or bad experience.




Pretty much spot on mate.

I was hoping to start some good debate on the matter but I dont think anyone is up for it.


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: kimikiri]
    #7225171 - 07/26/07 05:45 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

oh, well now that i understand :laugh:
i dont believe in absolutes.  i feel that nature influences the way you enter, but nurture influences the way that you exit / what you make it.

if you're straight laced to the core, a control freak and cannot deal with situations you arent prepared for/ dont understand, then i should expect that any kind of altered state of mind could pose a serious risk to your core being, the person you thought you were, and since you werent prepared for this, the person would probably freak out all over the place.  but then again, depending on your experiences in life, you may be able to still see the beauty of what is happening, and through nurture be able to see past your petty need for control and embrace what you are experiencing in a positive light.

several times taking cannabis, i have taken them in a somewhat angry / aggitated mood.  ironically from what most people say (that your mood at the time of dosage will influence your trip), it actually calmed me down, and i had a very enjoyable evening on both occasions.
but then that may be a case of nurture, as im generally quite laid back.


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: kimikiri]
    #7225313 - 07/26/07 07:25 AM (16 years, 8 months ago)

Ultimately, for me at least, both nature and nurture play a huge role. Nurture dictates how you will approach the experience, but your nature will define how you cope with it, integrate it and learn from it.

For example, someone who is taught their whole life that drugs are bad is likely to approach a psychedelic experience with a great deal of fear (if at all), but, assuming this doesn't totally override and ruin the trip, their nature, ability to let go and connect with the universe may create an extremely positive experience.

Basically, nurture effects how one will initially approach psychedelics, but assuming a person doesn't dip their toes in the water then run away crying their nature has every chance of reaffirming in them the ancient connection between the mind and all other things.


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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7238544 - 07/29/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Ultimately, for me at least, both nature and nurture play a huge role. Nurture dictates how you will approach the experience, but your nature will define how you cope with it, integrate it and learn from it.

For example, someone who is taught their whole life that drugs are bad is likely to approach a psychedelic experience with a great deal of fear (if at all), but, assuming this doesn't totally override and ruin the trip, their nature, ability to let go and connect with the universe may create an extremely positive experience.

Basically, nurture effects how one will initially approach psychedelics, but assuming a person doesn't dip their toes in the water then run away crying their nature has every chance of reaffirming in them the ancient connection between the mind and all other things.




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Re: Nature vs. Nurture [Re: Kanker]
    #7245909 - 08/01/07 12:09 AM (16 years, 7 months ago)

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Ultimately, for me at least, both nature and nurture play a huge role. Nurture dictates how you will approach the experience, but your nature will define how you cope with it, integrate it and learn from it.

For example, someone who is taught their whole life that drugs are bad is likely to approach a psychedelic experience with a great deal of fear (if at all), but, assuming this doesn't totally override and ruin the trip, their nature, ability to let go and connect with the universe may create an extremely positive experience.

Basically, nurture effects how one will initially approach psychedelics, but assuming a person doesn't dip their toes in the water then run away crying their nature has every chance of reaffirming in them the ancient connection between the mind and all other things.




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Once again spot on. However I cannot fail to notice that some people like to trip "a lot" while others seem to take long breaks between their experiences.

I for one know that after my last "real" trip (a mid to high lv 4) I need some time to reflect and rethink what "exactly" happened before I would attempt to do it again.

However I have taken several small trips since then... and they all just pale in comparison. I feel no need or desire to do a "small" trip again anytime soon. Yet, I am not sure if I am ready to do another nosedive into the abyss.

My nurture was 100% anti-drug

I "dipped" my toes several times before diving.

My first dive was amazing...

Nurture vs. Nature

Makes me rethink what I "knew"


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