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robbyberto
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Lots of weilii/unknown clusters
#7240764 - 07/30/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not very good at ID'ing these things and I'm only going to eat the obvious ones but heres some pictures. Please just tell me what these massive clusters of mushrooms are, if you can. They were found in a newly developed patch of land that use to be covered with pine trees. There were pines trees and obvious weilii within ten feet but they were pretty rotten. I'm almost positive that all the mushrooms seen on the dehydrator are weilii's. They were found in fescue and under pine needles in Roswell, GA. Picture 1:
 Picture 2(think these are all weilii):
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 Picture 5:
 So, whats going on?
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7240805 - 07/30/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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they look like they are just gnarly clusters of P. weilii.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: canid]
#7240816 - 07/30/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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canid said: they look like they are just gnarly clusters of P. weilii.
Thats what I thought. Problem is I didn't see any bluing on most of them. I can't wait to go back though. It appears that clusters like that rot more quickly than the gregarious ones. They were too rotten to eat mostly.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7240851 - 07/30/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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it looks in the pictures like the kind of dark ambiguous blueing that overly wet, over-ripe cyans get. did you observe spore deposits or make any prints?
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: canid]
#7240865 - 07/30/07 06:42 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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canid said: it looks in the pictures like the kind of dark ambiguous blueing that overly wet, over-ripe cyans get. did you observe spore deposits or make any prints?
No prints. I had to throw them out. They smell too strongly. I think I saw purplish spores, buts thats too subjective and I wouldn't risk it. You may be right about the over-ripeness. I definitely saw dark bruising on the gills, but it just didn't seem blue.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7240883 - 07/30/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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can you describe the smell? if they smelled putrid in any way, try to descrive any other smell apart from that.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: canid]
#7240919 - 07/30/07 07:04 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm no good with smells. They smelled like any other mushrooms I have ever smelled. I have more pictures of them if that would help.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7240929 - 07/30/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7241029 - 07/30/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive found weiliis like that before as well in large clusters all joined at the bottom.
if it was wet grass when you picked them or it has been real wet lately (and it probably was bc it was in my area of cobb for the first part of the day) in my experience, they dont blue as fast. but dude when you got a weilii you got a weilii and you knooow. those are weiliis. let them dry w/o the dehydrator. youll see. i got a cluster like that that turned pure blue as it dried. i mean you couldnt see any other color but blue anywhere.
^^^ nice point as well. you can always distinguish a weilii from any other look alikes by some major points:
texture: weiliis most common lookalikes are far weaker than they are; weilii are hearty
smell: weiliis smell like chemicals or something, they just have a distinct smell-scent is the strongest sense we remember- weilii lookalikes have a noticeably different smell.
look: if you know what to look for in a psilocybe then you should be able to distinguish it right away- smooth, bald cap (non fibrous), check the stem, weilii stems have a distinct look to them, check out the gills, touch them if you have to, you should see dark purplish spores or the gills will begin to bruise pretty soon.
the most common and most similar lookalike to weilii is psathyella velutina, but when you focus on some key traits like the ones i listed- you can tell the difference very quickly, normally before you even bend down to pick it but def. after
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: hilikus989]
#7241049 - 07/30/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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dude how can you not know those are weiliis if you are a weilii hunter?
im not bashing you by any means but i can look at them and tell immeadiately- look at the gills in the cluster pics. you can see bluing and the spores- not to mention the cap..and the stem.
and in the others of the more mangled ones- blue blue blue
i dont see how you could question that those are weiliis, especially when you have some that you are sure of to compare the others to.
cmon rb! you should know this!  
nice finds btw. i love cluster weiliis. finding them is sooo sweet i bet you were excited.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: hilikus989]
#7241249 - 07/30/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm just nervous about giving anything to my friends when I'm not completely positive. It's going to be sweet when I find them and their not all rotten! Can't wait! The weilii so throughly dominate this area it's unbelievable.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7241412 - 07/30/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well at least some of those found in clusters are positively weilii's. The caps flipped even farther up while drying and I can see the bluing where the stem meets the cap. Better safe than sorry. Theres always next time. These mushrooms sure are aggressive.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7241424 - 07/30/07 09:28 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look like clusters of weilii to me. All the cap edges are turning blue.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7241478 - 07/30/07 09:53 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: xmush]
#7242669 - 07/31/07 06:48 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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the first pic has some caps that look alot like caerulipes(sp?) caps which are found in virginia and tennesee.
I've heard of speculations and some small finds of them growing in north ga. They look alot like weilii but then again I think alot of psilocybe based shrooms share some distinctives.
Not saying they are, just noting a visual similarity. Psilocybe vilarelli or whatever its name is looks stunningly like weilii.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7242688 - 07/31/07 06:56 AM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look like caerulipes like all Psilocybes do as you say. Psilocybes do share common characteristics, that's why they're in the same genus! I think he has weilii. He found them growing near other weilii. No need to look for zebras, these hoofbeats belong to horses.
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Re: Lots of weilii/unknown clusters [Re: robbyberto]
#7243685 - 07/31/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 6 months ago) |
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robbyberto said: Yeah, I'm just nervous about giving anything to my friends when I'm not completely positive.
That is certainly the way to go. My rule is, I do not let others try a new species i've collected, until i've tried it first.
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