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ID please
    #7242713 - 07/31/07 09:12 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I found two nice shroomies this morning I would like an ID on:

(Spore pronts to come in a couple of hours)

#1

Habitat: Cow field, coming out of center of cow turd

Gills: Black, pretty close together

Stem: Off white, nice thick and sturdy

Cap: Large, off white, with some grey, has defined "nipple"

Bruising: Inexperienced shroomer, can't really tell.

Location: Middle TN

Spore Print: Pending

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#2

Habitat: Cow field, growing out of center of cow turd

Gills: Very close together, light cream / white in color

Stem: Light cream / white, sturdy and thick with a protruding ring toward the top.

Cap: Large brown nipple in center and covered with brown bumps.

Bruising: Inexperience noob isnt sure about bruising

Location: Middle TN

Spore Print: Pending

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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7242761 - 07/31/07 09:38 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

first looks like an inactive Paneolus species. I don't see any bluing, anyway.

second is an Amanita, but not sure which specific one. Don't eat it, it may be deadly.


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Re: ID please [Re: PinheadX]
    #7242769 - 07/31/07 09:44 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, but isnt the second one beautiful!

I was thinking the first one was a pan sub. If the spore print comes back black, does that mean it is active? I didnt attempt to make it blue.


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7242796 - 07/31/07 09:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

First one panaeolus semiovatus?
Second one looks like macrolepotia procera. (edible and roasted very tasty)
But better wait for curecat or another mod to make a positive ID


Edited by kaal-kopje (07/31/07 10:01 AM)


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7242797 - 07/31/07 09:53 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

No, that is in no way a pan-sub. Don't eat it! the second looks like chloro morbilate or however its spelled but it doesent have green gills.


The first looks like the active copelandia cyanescens which grows in florida but its definitely not. It's way too big and the stem is way too thick.


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7242815 - 07/31/07 09:59 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

As others have said, the first one is an inactive species in the genus Panaeolus. Very common on dung. It superficially resembles its potently active relative, Copelandia cyanescens. However, that species probably doesn't grow as far north as Tenn., and it bruises intensely blue.

The second mushroom is a Lepiota of some sort. My guess would be the toxic Chlorophyllum molybdites, or green gills. However, that guess is probably just me being overly cautious. Because it does strongly resemble the delicious (but not psychoactive) Macrolepiota procera, or Parasol mushroom, as Kaal-Kopje said.


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Re: ID please [Re: xmush]
    #7242827 - 07/31/07 10:02 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys!! I wasnt interested in eating them, I was just amazed at how big that pan sub was (now I know why, it isnt a pan sub :-) ).

round here I mostly see cubes, that is why I was puzzled at these.

that second one is really neat looking though!

I can say, right now in Mid TN, all our horse and cow fields are popping. I drove past 4 different fields this morning where you could see the the caps peeking up over the grass all over the fields.

There is some hunting in store tonight!


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7243709 - 07/31/07 02:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

First mushroom is the Cope look-a-like Panaeolus semiovatus var. phalaenarum (previously known as P. antillarum).

The second, I'm with kaal on. Looks more like Macrolepiota procera than Chlorophyllum molybdites.

Good job on the ID requests!


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Re: ID please [Re: CureCat]
    #7243720 - 07/31/07 02:57 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

CureCat said:


Good job on the ID requests!




Thanks man, Im learning!


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7244959 - 07/31/07 10:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what color are the spores on the second one? I would have sworn that was an amanita, but it was lacking a cup on the bottom, so I wasn't entirely sure as to the type.

doesn't look at all like C. molybdites to me. Too white, and the warts are all over it in a pretty orderly fashion. C. molybdites warts are more random and fewer. Plus the color of the warts is different. Brown instead of grey.


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Re: ID please [Re: PinheadX]
    #7245261 - 07/31/07 11:19 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Some things that differentiate Lepiotas from Amanitas. The structures on the cap are scales that are part of the cap, not warts which are universal veil remnants as in Amanitas. The ring in Lepiotas (including green gills and parasol), is very fibrous and sturdy. You can actually move it up and down the stem without tearing it. Quite different than in Amanitas with their more breakable rings. Also the stems in Lepiotas are tougher.

Things that make this more likely a Parasol than Green Gills include the distinctive umbo on the cap, the appearance of the scales, and a long stem with a cap that isn't as wide as most Green Gills. Also as you noted, the gills are quite white. While green gills often have white gills (weird turn of phrase there huh?), usually they are quite greenish when they get to be that size.


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Re: ID please [Re: PinheadX]
    #7245276 - 07/31/07 11:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with Curecat's ID's.

They are probably both good to eat. If it was a poisonous Chlorophyllum molybdites, I think the gills would be turning dark green by now. Let us know if they suddenly change colors.


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Re: ID please [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7246136 - 08/01/07 03:37 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think i found the same exact two types of mushrooms that you are presenting in this post. I went out to a cow Pasteur tonight and this is what i found in some cow dung before i ran after seeing farmers with dogs.






This is the same as in picture #1 correct?

Location - St. Petersburg Florida
Habitat - Cow dung in wet cow Pasteur
Cap - white cap with grayish bruising
Stem - White
Spore print - came out gray/black


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Re: ID please [Re: monshroom]
    #7246525 - 08/01/07 08:27 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The spore print on the first one came out very dark purpleish black.

the second print was very light cream colored or even close to white. It was on a white piece of paper and you could barely see it.


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Re: ID please [Re: dmbfanintn]
    #7247363 - 08/01/07 02:13 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

so whats the verdict on the pic i posted?
is it the same as #1?

is it edible and will it give me happy funtime feelings?


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Re: ID please [Re: monshroom]
    #7247379 - 08/01/07 02:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

monshroom said:
so whats the verdict on the pic i posted?
is it the same as #1?

is it edible and will it give me happy funtime feelings?




You should probably start a new ID request thread...


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